Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2.7 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Best of Piano Buyer
 Best of Piano Buyer
(ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
Find a Professional
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Advertise on Piano World

(ad)
Accu-Tuner
Sanderson Accu-Tuner
Who's Online Now
111 registered members (barbaram, anotherscott, accordeur, beeboss, Brendan, AlphaBravoCharlie, AJB, 26 invisible), 1,465 guests, and 3 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords & Scales
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3
Re: Help me decide between Kawai CA95/CS10 and Yamaha NU1 [Re: Delphian2001] #2155954
09/23/13 04:03 AM
09/23/13 04:03 AM
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,410
The Netherlands
J
JFP Offline
1000 Post Club Member
JFP  Offline
1000 Post Club Member
J

Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,410
The Netherlands
Congrats , looking forward to your pics and review ! You must be one of the first (and very few) CS10 owners, so your thoughts about the DP are very valuable. Great choice , it's currently the best looking upright DP on the market IMHO.

Piano & Music Gifts & Accessories (570)
Piano accessories and music gift items, digital piano dolly, music theme party goods
Re: Help me decide between Kawai CA95/CS10 and Yamaha NU1 [Re: Delphian2001] #2156074
09/23/13 10:31 AM
09/23/13 10:31 AM
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 285
Europe - France
E
enzo.sandrolini Offline
Full Member
enzo.sandrolini  Offline
Full Member
E

Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 285
Europe - France
Helloworld1, EJT
I never encountered such troubles...
It seems Yamaha have a defective batch, or something
May I ask you if you tried with Virtual piano ?
In that case, do you also have loud noute issues ?
If yes, could you then check the Midi value which was sent ?
You can monitor that with either a MIDI tools or with the demo version of Pianoteq
In order to know if it comes from the sensors or from the internal sound generator.

I am sorry about the trouble you are facing
The NU1 is a fantastic piano for learning, and I really like it.

Regards

Last edited by enzo.sandrolini; 09/23/13 10:47 AM.

Music is a lifestyle
(Happy Yamaha N2 and Roland FP90 owner)
Re: Help me decide between Kawai CA95/CS10 and Yamaha NU1 [Re: enzo.sandrolini] #2156100
09/23/13 11:23 AM
09/23/13 11:23 AM
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 82
H
helloworld1 Offline
Full Member
helloworld1  Offline
Full Member
H

Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 82
I tried vintage d and have the same problem. I also used pianoteq and record midi value, a 120 velocity Will be occasionally triggered while even normal FFF is about 110(BTW NU1 can't play stronger than FFF)

Re: Help me decide between Kawai CA95/CS10 and Yamaha NU1 [Re: enzo.sandrolini] #2156107
09/23/13 11:31 AM
09/23/13 11:31 AM
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 28
South Bend, Indiana
E
EJT Offline
Full Member
EJT  Offline
Full Member
E

Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 28
South Bend, Indiana
Enzo:

Virtual pianos had the same issues; in fact, the MIDI inconsistency of the sustain pedal was devastating for software pianos as it let notes "stick" and echo for extremely long times. This board helped me diagnose it with a MIDI monitor to see the values transmitted. That's how I was able to demonstrate the issue (both audibly and via the MIDI monitor) to the Yamaha authorized repair technician. The individual transmissions of notes was due to the MIDI value sent. The values would be in the 60-70ish range, then leap to the 100s, then immediately back into the 60-70. These weren't highly technical classical passages. I'm not a classical pianist. It just happened.

I should learn today the lead-time on a CS10 from a dealer closer to my home. Assuming it's reasonable, I'll end up paying an additional $1000 to "switch" from the NU1 to the CS10. While I'm nervous about not actually having played a CS10, I did play both the CA65 and CA95 both through headphones and not. I really like the polished ebony look; so I'm into the Kawai CS series. And I put a monitor atop the piano, so I really "need" the CS10 cabinet (as the keyboard/trackpad sit nicely upon the closed lid of the NU1 and ostensibly the CS10).

I regret deeply purchasing the Yamaha NU1. Thankfully, the dealer's "solution" to the problem works for me. Yamaha, at this point, never will again.

Eric

P.S. I love the idea behind the NU1. And I can imagine scenarios when it would be a wonderful instrument (like yours). I'm happy there are good NU1s. The cost is WAY to high to be defective in significant respects. Software pianos are an expectation, I think, with both the midi/USB ins.


Re: Help me decide between Kawai CA95/CS10 and Yamaha NU1 [Re: Delphian2001] #2157661
09/25/13 08:43 PM
09/25/13 08:43 PM
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 6
S
SGBell Offline
Junior Member
SGBell  Offline
Junior Member
S

Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 6
I took delivery of a CS10 last week. It's an absolutely gorgeous piano. I'm an amateur player so can't offer a lot in how it compares to other acoustics or digitals, but the sound and action are a true pleasure. i compared against the NU1, but the extra cost and harder action of the NU1 made it a pretty easy choice for me.

The only issue I have with the CS10 is that out of the box the A0 key was rubbing and sticking. Tried to work it a little but it stuck permanently. I'm working with Kawai to schedule service. So far they're being pretty responsive. I'll post an update on how the issue resolves.

Re: Help me decide between Kawai CA95/CS10 and Yamaha NU1 [Re: Delphian2001] #2157776
09/26/13 02:27 AM
09/26/13 02:27 AM
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,410
The Netherlands
J
JFP Offline
1000 Post Club Member
JFP  Offline
1000 Post Club Member
J

Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,410
The Netherlands
Pics please !

Re: Help me decide between Kawai CA95/CS10 and Yamaha NU1 [Re: JFP] #2157780
09/26/13 02:37 AM
09/26/13 02:37 AM
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,101
Glendale, Ca.
D
Dave Ferris Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Dave Ferris  Offline
2000 Post Club Member
D

Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,101
Glendale, Ca.
A few years back I had the CA95 for all of three days before I returned it. Obviously I didn't like it. I played the CS10 this year , briefly at NAMM, and thought that was the best Kawai digital I'd played. I've read some things here where people say they are the same (except for the cabinet) but I felt the CS10 was much better sounding and feeling then the 95 fwiw.

Don't care for the action on the NU1 at all. I do prefer the newer CFX sample on it though over the N1. Overall the N1 was more enjoyable for me to play.


https://soundcloud.com/dave-ferris

2005 NY Steinway D
Yamaha CP4, CP5, RCF TT08A speakers
Re: Help me decide between Kawai CA95/CS10 and Yamaha NU1 [Re: Delphian2001] #2158015
09/26/13 12:46 PM
09/26/13 12:46 PM
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 73
Lovely So Cal
D
Delphian2001 Offline OP
Full Member
Delphian2001  Offline OP
Full Member
D

Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 73
Lovely So Cal
Dave Ferris,
Now you got me excited about the CS10 and I can't wait to have mine delivered. I tried the CA95 in the store and somewhat underwhelmed. Hopefully, the CS10 would provide a better experience just like what you mentioned.

Last edited by Delphian2001; 09/26/13 02:04 PM.
Re: Help me decide between Kawai CA95/CS10 and Yamaha NU1 [Re: Delphian2001] #2158559
09/27/13 11:42 AM
09/27/13 11:42 AM
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 6
S
SGBell Offline
Junior Member
SGBell  Offline
Junior Member
S

Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 6
Here's a couple of pics of my CS10 and music setup. It really is a damn fine looking instrument :-)

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

Re: Help me decide between Kawai CA95/CS10 and Yamaha NU1 [Re: SGBell] #2158569
09/27/13 12:05 PM
09/27/13 12:05 PM
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 38
Ontario, Canada
S
semo Offline
Full Member
semo  Offline
Full Member
S

Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 38
Ontario, Canada
That's awesome! Congrats!


CA95, Sennheiser HD598
Re: Help me decide between Kawai CA95/CS10 and Yamaha NU1 [Re: Delphian2001] #2158572
09/27/13 12:15 PM
09/27/13 12:15 PM
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 73
Lovely So Cal
D
Delphian2001 Offline OP
Full Member
Delphian2001  Offline OP
Full Member
D

Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 73
Lovely So Cal
I can't tell from the photos that the bench that came with the CS10 is height adjustable?

Re: Help me decide between Kawai CA95/CS10 and Yamaha NU1 [Re: Delphian2001] #2158575
09/27/13 12:18 PM
09/27/13 12:18 PM
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 1,504
P
Pete14 Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Pete14  Offline
1000 Post Club Member
P

Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 1,504
Beautiful.

Re: Help me decide between Kawai CA95/CS10 and Yamaha NU1 [Re: Delphian2001] #2158582
09/27/13 12:38 PM
09/27/13 12:38 PM
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 3,540
US
G
gvfarns Offline
3000 Post Club Member
gvfarns  Offline
3000 Post Club Member
G

Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 3,540
US
That is hot stuff. Congrats!

Re: Help me decide between Kawai CA95/CS10 and Yamaha NU1 [Re: Delphian2001] #2158595
09/27/13 01:15 PM
09/27/13 01:15 PM
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 3,350
UK
S
spanishbuddha Offline
3000 Post Club Member
spanishbuddha  Offline
3000 Post Club Member
S

Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 3,350
UK
Ooh congrats.

Re: Help me decide between Kawai CA95/CS10 and Yamaha NU1 [Re: Delphian2001] #2158608
09/27/13 02:03 PM
09/27/13 02:03 PM
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 1,746
Vancouver, B.C.
Vid Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Vid  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 1,746
Vancouver, B.C.
Looks great! Congrats!


  • Schimmel Upright
  • Kawai VPC-1 with Pianoteq

Any issues or concerns are piped to /dev/null
Re: Help me decide between Kawai CA95/CS10 and Yamaha NU1 [Re: Delphian2001] #2158628
09/27/13 02:42 PM
09/27/13 02:42 PM
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,410
The Netherlands
J
JFP Offline
1000 Post Club Member
JFP  Offline
1000 Post Club Member
J

Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,410
The Netherlands
Really nice ! Looks like eh....an ordinary piano (and that is a compliment). I wonder if you hide the volume knob , power led and inputs if you could trick someone into believing he's playing a real acoustic. Would be a nice experiment.

Re: Help me decide between Kawai CA95/CS10 and Yamaha NU1 [Re: Delphian2001] #2158756
09/27/13 07:04 PM
09/27/13 07:04 PM
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 15,156
Hamamatsu, Japan
Kawai James Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Kawai James  Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 15,156
Hamamatsu, Japan
Thank you for posting the pics, SGBell!

Cool camera too. wink

James
x


Employed by Kawai Japan, however the opinions I express are my own.
Nord Electro 3 & occasional rare groove player.

"I agree that the User Manual is very good." - arc7urus, March 2019
Re: Help me decide between Kawai CA95/CS10 and Yamaha NU1 [Re: Delphian2001] #2158828
09/27/13 11:04 PM
09/27/13 11:04 PM
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 6
S
SGBell Offline
Junior Member
SGBell  Offline
Junior Member
S

Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 6
The bench is not height adjustable. It's a pretty basic/cheap bench. Does the trick for now, but I'll probably upgrade to an adjustable one with a little more padding in the future.

Kawai James- Yes the X100S is a sweet camera :-) Photography is my other passion/hobby. I just wish I could pick a hobby like writing haiku or meditating... a hobby where there's no beautiful, expensive instruments or cool technology to buy ;-)

Scott

Re: Help me decide between Kawai CA95/CS10 and Yamaha NU1 [Re: Delphian2001] #2158858
09/28/13 12:49 AM
09/28/13 12:49 AM
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 73
Lovely So Cal
D
Delphian2001 Offline OP
Full Member
Delphian2001  Offline OP
Full Member
D

Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 73
Lovely So Cal
SGBell - What a coincidence. My other hobby is also photography and my camera is also Fuji X100s!
Unfortunately, it looks like I may not get the CS10 like yours after all. My dealer just notified me the CS10 is in serious back order. I may have to pick another model, or turn to Yamaha frown.

Re: Help me decide between Kawai CA95/CS10 and Yamaha NU1 [Re: Delphian2001] #2158921
09/28/13 05:12 AM
09/28/13 05:12 AM
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,410
The Netherlands
J
JFP Offline
1000 Post Club Member
JFP  Offline
1000 Post Club Member
J

Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,410
The Netherlands
Originally Posted by Delphian2001
... I may have to pick another model, or turn to Yamaha frown.


Or another dealer...

Page 2 of 3 1 2 3

Moderated by  Piano World 

Shop Our Online Store!
Shop Our Store Online
Shop PianoSupplies.com

Did you know Piano World has an online store, and that it's loaded with goodies pianists and music lovers want?
Check it out and place your order.

Special Purchase!
Keyboard and Roses Piano Bench Cushion Keyboard & Roses 14"x30" piano bench cushions Regularly sold for $79 to $100, now only $39. (while supplies last)

(ad)
Pianoteq
PianoTeq Bechstein
(ad)
Faust Harrison Pianos
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Warner Bros intro
by Lachawiec. 06/24/19 08:39 AM
The only way to read Metronome Markings
by acortot. 06/24/19 07:40 AM
Help Me Decide Between CA78 and VPC1
by xhivo. 06/23/19 08:49 PM
Appreciating William Bolcom
by Qwerty53. 06/23/19 06:41 PM
What's Hot!!
PIANO TEACHERS Please read this!
-------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
Forum Statistics
Forums41
Topics192,679
Posts2,841,465
Members93,693
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Please Support Our Advertisers
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways

Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver

 Best of Piano Buyer

PianoTeq Bechstein
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers


 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2019 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1