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All I know is that my cp5 sounds and plays better than my korg Kronos.

I remember a funny incident on a gig with nord stage the original one. I ran it in stereo w two barbetta amps. During a break someone asked me why I was playing a harpsichord sound all the time.

On DP's in general the pain factor is indeed :

- sustain ,
- short decay especially in higher registers and
- absence of- , or unrealistic resonance behaviors.

Result is that on acoustics you can still play better melodic lines in the higher registers and glue the notes together. All while 'playing' with damper pedal and your fine finger techniques. Hit a few highest register notes on an upright and listen to the decay (looooooooong) and do the same thing on a DP. You'd be amazed (of the difference).

So the question is not if the new gigging boards like the Yamaha CP4 are good for the audience ; they are and 95% don't hear the difference anyway and they are there for the music experience as a whole. The question is if advancements in those three bottlenecks would heighten the pleasure of playing for the performer. Especially when the board is NOT out for a noisy gig, but when you're at home / in your studio or in a small intimate setting (e.g. small jazz combo / small ambiance). We are almost living in 2014 with all this crazy fast , big and cheap IT technology. That's why some here are amazed that even now we still have to put up with stretched and looped instruments, some even without sophisticated resonance algorithms or modeling.

A current KAWAI , Yamaha , or NORD is good for most occasions as they are, but they could have been so much better if the sampling artifacts that hunt us from the 90's had been phased out by now, considering the current status of technology, prices of electronic components and bright programmers in the ICT world. IMHO it's a miss we are still forced to have this discussion at all these days. Why put a horse in front of your vehicle when the rest of the world is already driving electric cars that do 1000 miles on a charge and recharge in 5 minutes ? (Oh,...and have become incredibly cheap..)

On DP's in general the pain factor is indeed :

- sustain ,
- short decay especially in higher registers and
- absence of- , or unrealistic resonance behaviors.

Result is that on acoustics you can still play better melodic lines in the higher registers and glue the notes together. All while 'playing' with damper pedal and your fine finger techniques. Hit a few highest register notes on an upright and listen to the decay (looooooooong) and do the same thing on a DP. You'd be amazed (of the difference).

So the question is not if the new gigging boards like the Yamaha CP4 are good for the audience ; they are and 95% don't hear the difference anyway and they are there for the music experience as a whole. The question is if advancements in those three bottlenecks would heighten the pleasure of playing for the performer. Especially when the board is NOT out for a noisy gig, but when you're at home / in your studio or in a small intimate setting (e.g. small jazz combo / small ambiance). We are almost living in 2014 with all this crazy fast , big and cheap IT technology. That's why some here are amazed that even now we still have to put up with stretched and looped instruments, some even without sophisticated resonance algorithms or modeling.

A current KAWAI , Yamaha , or NORD is good for most occasions as they are, but they could have been so much better if the sampling artifacts that hunt us from the 90's had been phased out by now, considering the current status of technology, prices of electronic components and bright programmers in the ICT world. IMHO it's a miss we are still forced to have this discussion at all these days. Why put a horse in front of your vehicle when the rest of the world is already driving electric cars that do 1000 miles on a charge and recharge in 5 minutes ? (Oh,...and have become incredibly cheap..)

On DP's in general the pain factor is indeed :

- sustain ,
- short decay especially in higher registers and
- absence of- , or unrealistic resonance behaviors.

Result is that on acoustics you can still play better melodic lines in the higher registers and glue the notes together. All while 'playing' with damper pedal and your fine finger techniques. Hit a few highest register notes on an upright and listen to the decay (looooooooong) and do the same thing on a DP. You'd be amazed (of the difference).

The Price on the CP1 is very high in comparison with CP4 so:
Who please can tell me and to everybory the differences between:
*YAMAHA CP1 vs * YAMAHA CP4 ?

*I think it is because the sounds that is generated by Phisycal Modeling make the CP1 more expessive (All Eps - FM Pianos), am i right?

*The CP4 its all sample based with some tricks by Phisycal Modeling on the Pianos, Eps and FM DX Pianos and the rest of the sounds is some MOTIF XF sounds.

*Is the Keyboard Action difference the 3 sensors?

*Can someone make a list with all the differences between thouse two?
Thaks you.

Of course, there is one (or rather, two - and maybe another pretender) current DP that will do all that, and more, i.e. you can customize the sustain, decay and various resonances to levels that far exceed that of any acoustic piano, and with no looping or stretching of any sort.

But whether that's what you're looking for is a different matter. I was reminded of that when watching Elton John in a TV homage program recently. The "acoustic grand" he was playing says Yamaha, but the sound that came out was totally synthetic. And the lid was closed, so, goodness knows what was hiding beneath that grand piano shell.

He obviously didn't want a 'real piano' sound for his gigs........

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How ironic. What you were hearing was a modelled Roland piano sound!

IMPORTANT NOTE:

Is everyone aware that "Athan Billias" (on page 6) deliberately hijacked and changed the original poster's (i.e., Rhodie73) subject line to "Spectrum Component modeling?"

Shame on him for changing the original topic line.

Isn't an apology due?

Extra note:

The original subject line is:

"Possible Yamaha CP4 in the future?

All rights for the original topic belong to Rhodie73.

I just now deleted the post you "quoted" as it apparently doesn't make any difference if you do change someone else's "subject" line since as soon as another member replies to the changed post it remains changed. Also, I wasn't finished editing my post you quoted as there is a typo in it.

Question:

I'm just making the point that ANYONE in this forum can change an original poster's subject line at their own whim and should this be allowed?

What if the original poster started with "Beginner looking for digital piano - advice please" and later someone interjects with:

"Where can I find a hot date?"

Do you see the problem?

Extra note:

Not that anyone in this forum would go that far off topic with changing the original poster's subject line.

But the fact is you can do it.

...Deleting posts after they have been responded to is something that I would like to see prevented, however. Fortunately, quoting individuals who are predisposed to such behaviour ensures that the flow of a thread can still be followed.