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Re: Dumb Music Questions
Polyphonist #2156403 09/23/13 06:55 PM
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Useless and unproductive argument is actually a very refined form of art. grin


No need to tell me. I live just outside our nation's capital. grin


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Oh, I thought you meant dumb music questions like: who wrote Brahms' Lullaby...


I will play Tchaikovsky's first piano concerto, in B-flat minor, by... by... by all means...

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Oh, I thought you meant dumb music questions like: who wrote Brahms' Lullaby...


I will play Tchaikovsky's first piano concerto, in B-flat minor, by... by... by all means...

Why do you hate the Tchaik 1 so much?


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Polyphonist #2156463 09/23/13 08:27 PM
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Oh, I thought you meant dumb music questions like: who wrote Brahms' Lullaby...


I will play Tchaikovsky's first piano concerto, in B-flat minor, by... by... by all means...

Why do you hate the Tchaik 1 so much?


That was a Victor Borge quote. smile

I don't "hate" it. I'm just not a fan. It's got beautiful melodies, but all the flashy arpeggios and octaves and runs just lose me... I've heard it done convincingly, and I really enjoyed it, but overall I'm just not a fan of the piece, and I don't feel compelled to play it (though I don't feel compelled to learn hardly any concerto, actually; that's another story).

I've never been much of a fan of Tchaikovsky in general, save the ballets.

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Originally Posted by Polyphonist

Why do you hate the Tchaik 1 so much?

I don't know that he particularly hates it, I suspect he is more online with my feeling: I'm just damn tired of the empty warhorse!

I need -and am taking- a timeout. Maybe a year... a decade... a century. wink And btw, I know a number of people, both in person and in cyberspace, who totally agree with me!

Edit: OSK got in earlier than me...

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I don't feel compelled to learn hardly any concerto...

You don't want to learn the Alkan concerto? grin


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Originally Posted by Polyphonist

Why do you hate the Tchaik 1 so much?

I don't know that he particularly hates it, I suspect he is more online with my feeling: I'm just damn tired of the empty warhorse!

I need -and am taking- a timeout. Maybe a year... a decade... a century. wink And btw, I know a number of people, both in person and in cyberspace, who totally agree with me!

Edit: OSK got in earlier than me...

I wouldn't go so far as to call it an empty warhorse, but I'm not a big fan of the piece either. One reason for this is that the first movement drags on far too long with vapid technique and not enough music. The last movement is great, though, if a bit lacking in substance. It IS a showpiece, after all.


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Why do you hate the Tchaik 1 so much?

I don't know that he particularly hates it, I suspect he is more online with my feeling: I'm just damn tired of the empty warhorse!

I need -and am taking- a timeout. Maybe a year... a decade... a century. wink And btw, I know a number of people, both in person and in cyberspace, who totally agree with me!

Edit: OSK got in earlier than me...

I wouldn't go so far as to call it an empty warhorse, but I'm not a big fan of the piece either. One reason for this is that the first movement drags on far too long with vapid technique and not enough music. The last movement is great, though, if a bit lacking in substance. It IS a showpiece, after all.

I find that the difficult techniques only add to the piece, as they make it an even more incomprehensible wonder. I can't wait until the day I'm able to learn the piece; I find it's melodies and nuances to be out of this world.
But I also love the Tchaikovsky Violin concerto, so maybe I'm just a sucker for his idiom wink


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Why do you hate the Tchaik 1 so much?


I don't "hate" it. I'm just not a fan.


I happen to know you have a special place in your heart for Argerich's rendition that's on YouTube, OSK. wink


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I don't feel compelled to learn hardly any concerto...

You don't want to learn the Alkan concerto? grin


"Hardly" wink
And that's a solo piano piece like Bach's Italian Concerto smile

The biggest reason I don't feel compelled to learn hardly any concerto is because I don't see myself ever having an opportunity with an orchestra any time soon! If I do, it would be with a baton. smile

Of course, if somehow or another I did somehow ever get a legitimate change to play with an orchestra, I will definitely learn almost any concerto the conductor would ask me to play (within my abilities). smile

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Originally Posted by Orange Soda King
The biggest reason I don't feel compelled to learn hardly any concerto is because I don't see myself ever having an opportunity with an orchestra any time soon! If I do, it would be with a baton. smile


I'll never get an opportunity to play with an orchestra in this lifetime (maybe when I'm re-incarnated grin, I will), and the only time I wield a baton is in front of a mirror.

But that's never stopped me learning concertos, because I just play the piano part plus the orchestra part when the piano isn't playing (and add the orchestral parts to the piano when both are playing, if I've got fingers free....), because there're some things you get in concertos that you'll never find in the same composer's solo piano music. Especially in Mozart, whose piano writing in the concertos is often more adventurous than in his piano sonatas.

In fact, the same applies to Tchaikovsky, and quite a few other composers.


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But I also love the Tchaikovsky Violin concerto, so maybe I'm just a sucker for his idiom wink


It's a phase that many of us go through.

Actually, I would still love much of Tchaikovsky if I hadn't heard it a megabazillion times. It just doesn't survive extreme over-exposure for decades all that well, IMO. But then, how much music does? Very little, I think.

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Originally Posted by Orange Soda King
The biggest reason I don't feel compelled to learn hardly any concerto is because I don't see myself ever having an opportunity with an orchestra any time soon! If I do, it would be with a baton. smile

Don't let that be a discouragement. Learn the concerto(s) then find the opportunities.


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Music for the sake of dancing is something that's been with us humans since the most primitive times in our history. Pop music lets us fulfill that primal urge to shake our booty! I find it incredibly pretentious that people call it trash, although it hardly surprises me.


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Sorry if this has already been posted, but how can something be an intermezzo if it isn't in the middle of anything? Brahms wrote a beautiful set of three intermezzi. But the first and third were, by definition, not in the middle of anything. Or am I missing something?

I know. I'm just being a crank. But perhaps somebody should write a sonata with a first movement entitled "Finale."

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I just love the visual concept of 'shaking one's booty' when dancing a gavotte while dressed in panniers.


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Originally Posted by wdot
Sorry if this has already been posted, but how can something be an intermezzo if it isn't in the middle of anything? Brahms wrote a beautiful set of three intermezzi. But the first and third were, by definition, not in the middle of anything. Or am I missing something?

I know. I'm just being a crank. But perhaps somebody should write a sonata with a first movement entitled "Finale."


i don't think Brahms cared much for titles. In the words of Cole Porter: "anything goes".


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Can I play a nocturne during the daytime?


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Can I play a nocturne during the daytime?

As stores is not here right now I will post for him grin:

"Of course you can't do that. That would violate the composer's intention. Do your homework, Brad."


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