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I will be playing a few pieces on Saturday at my girlfriend's birthday party which will have about 20 people in a fairly intimate setting of primarily Doctor's and other professionals in their 40's and 50's.

I was thinking of playing either the Mozart K.511 or the Chopin Op.48/1 as part of the performance (the other pieces will be Mendelssohn's Duetto Op.38/6, Scarlatti K.455 and Chopin Waltz Op.69/2)

I love both the Mozart and the Chopin. For those that have performed these pieces in public, which one do you think will be more "appreciated".

I know this is all subjective, but I was hoping to solicit some opinions with the folks on this forum.

Thanks!

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Play the piece that moves you more.

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Both pieces are very moving for me. I feel the Mozart may be a bit too long for the average listener but otherwise I love them both in different ways.

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The Rondo is lovely but I think most people will resonate with the Nocturne more. If you can pull it off, do it.

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There is already one Chopin out of the four pieces. I would do the Mozart instead of the Chopin Nocturne.


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I must have skimmed over that part. Yes, play the Mozart.

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Originally Posted by Michael Sayers
There is already one Chopin out of the four pieces. I would do the Mozart instead of the Chopin Nocturne.


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People who aren't really into classical music don't really notice how versatile a repertoire is, they care more about how beautiful the peices are. In this case, the nocturne crushes the rondo, so I think the nocturne is a better choice. (And if it botheres you that much then get rid of the waltz, the nocturne is a must perform if you can play it well.)


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Originally Posted by PrestoConFuocco
People who aren't really into classical music don't really notice how versatile a repertoire is, they care more about how beautiful the pieces are. In this case, the nocturne crushes the rondo, so I think the nocturne is a better choice.

Fair enough point about people only caring how beautiful the pieces are. As for who "wins" between 48/1 and 511, that's far from clear.

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I consider Op 48/1 being one of Chopin's greatest achievements. I really think you should play that one if you feel you can handle it.

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Thanks all. Going to go with the Chopin. Much more difficult than the Mozart but so profound. I may also ditch the waltz (69/2) as I was only going to play that for it's recognition but otherwise an easy piece.

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Originally Posted by Works1
Thanks all. Going to go with the Chopin. Much more difficult than the Mozart but so profound. I may also ditch the waltz (69/2) as I was only going to play that for it's recognition but otherwise an easy piece.


Good choice. I love that nocturne.

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Originally Posted by PrestoConFuocco
People who aren't really into classical music don't really notice how versatile a repertoire is, they care more about how beautiful the peices are. In this case, the nocturne crushes the rondo, so I think the nocturne is a better choice. (And if it botheres you that much then get rid of the waltz, the nocturne is a must perform if you can play it well.)


The nocturne has gestures more dramatic than the ones in the rondo so in terms of impressions on someone who isn't into classical music you are right that maybe the nocturne is a better choice.

I don't think this implies that the nocturne is more beautiful than the rondo.


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How hard is that Nocturne really? What other Chopin pieces are of comparable difficulty?

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Originally Posted by Jorleyy
How hard is that Nocturne really? What other Chopin pieces are of comparable difficulty?


The end presents etude-like challenges.

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Originally Posted by Jorleyy
How hard is that Nocturne really? What other Chopin pieces are of comparable difficulty?


The first couple pages are not technically very difficult, mostly because it is fairly slow. However, the return of the A section is substantially more difficult because of the left hand pattern of arpeggiated chords. It is difficult to keep them even in rhythm and dynamics at the correct tempo. Voicing is more difficult, particularly toward the end, because there are a lot of notes sounding at once. You also have to be pretty comfortable with 4 against 6 rhythms. Then of course, there is the virtuosic, cadenza-like second half of the middle section. I found that part easy to memorize because of the patterns, but feeling the long chords over the rumbling chromatic scales and actually hitting all the notes on the octave passages proved more of a challenge.

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but what pieces would you say are of similar difficulty?

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I don't think I can really speak to that because I haven't played enough Chopin pieces to personally have much insight. Very sorry. If I had to guess, I would say maybe some of the easier etudes except that it requires more stamina because it is a bit longer.


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