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Re: Lang Lang- his Style as a whole.
JoelW #2151235 09/16/13 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by JoelW
His (Lang-Lang's) Chopin is garbage. I'm seeing him this Thursday - four Chopin ballades.

Can't wait.

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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
Originally Posted by JoelW
His (Lang-Lang's) Chopin is garbage. I'm seeing him this Thursday - four Chopin ballades.

Can't wait.

??


Hahaha

Well, to be honest, he is on my good side even though his Chopin is RUBBISH for the most part. The only Chopin of his that I've ever liked was his 34/1 waltz (wonderfully played). The rest, polonaise, ballades, are all junk. His ballades are all on YouTube. Utter garbage. He really lets his big head get in the way of the music. He lingers with the slow and rushes the fast, missing tons of notes, very sloppy.

On the other hand, his Mozart is good. So I can't wait. smile

And oh yeah.. he's filthy famous. How could it not be fun? Plus I'm going with a close friend.


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For those who have been asleep for the last couple of months, I am the classical pianist/social activist philosopher who posted the following link, plus other recorded examples.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VPgg3armCI

Therefore, I am a traditionalist, in terms of the actual way the piano was FIRST performed in public in the 19th century. Performers rolled/spread/arpeggiated their chords, they broke/asynchronized their bass and melody lines, they improvised, and they modified their tempos.

But, what they did not do was to make a public spectacle of themselves which is what Lang Lang does. Their individuality lay in their musical interpretation.

So, before I go any further, I have scanned a promotional photograph of Lang Lang, which was used to promote his performance with our San Antonio Symphony. It is a frontal picture of him in a black leather suit.

He has his hands at his sides, with his legs apart. And, it is photos-shopped to show a definite outline of his genitals.

What I need from you good folks is to teach me how to download this jpeg file to PW.

Thanks.

Re: Lang Lang- his Style as a whole.
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Why? I don't want to see double Langs stuff.

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LANG LANG IS THE BEST PIANIST IN THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Louis Podesta

Therefore, I am a traditionalist, in terms of the actual way the piano was FIRST performed in public in the 19th century. Performers rolled/spread/arpeggiated their chords, they broke/asynchronized their bass and melody lines, they improvised, and they modified their tempos.

But, what they did not do was to make a public spectacle of themselves which is what Lang Lang does. Their individuality lay in their musical interpretation.
While some 19th century pianists avoided theatricality and were totally serious in their perfomances, pianists like Liszt, Leopold de Meyer, and Herz were major showmen when they performed. In fact, I'd say that Lang Lang is best described as a throwback to the performance style quite common in the 19th century.

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Originally Posted by Louis Podesta

Therefore, I am a traditionalist, in terms of the actual way the piano was FIRST performed in public in the 19th century. Performers rolled/spread/arpeggiated their chords, they broke/asynchronized their bass and melody lines, they improvised, and they modified their tempos.

But, what they did not do was to make a public spectacle of themselves which is what Lang Lang does. Their individuality lay in their musical interpretation.
While some 19th century pianists avoided theatricality and were totally serious in their perfomances, pianists like Liszt, Leopold de Meyer, and Herz were major showmen when they performed. In fact, I'd say that Lang Lang is best described as a throwback to the performance style quite common in the 19th century.


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Originally Posted by Louis Podesta

Therefore, I am a traditionalist, in terms of the actual way the piano was FIRST performed in public in the 19th century. Performers rolled/spread/arpeggiated their chords, they broke/asynchronized their bass and melody lines, they improvised, and they modified their tempos.

But, what they did not do was to make a public spectacle of themselves which is what Lang Lang does. Their individuality lay in their musical interpretation.
While some 19th century pianists avoided theatricality and were totally serious in their perfomances, pianists like Liszt, Leopold de Meyer, and Herz were major showmen when they performed. In fact, I'd say that Lang Lang is best described as a throwback to the performance style quite common in the 19th century.


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Even Beethoven was known to be violent in his playing and eccentric in his methods. Of course, that was a shock to those in the parlors watching, but the people above pose a great argument smile


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Re: Lang Lang- his Style as a whole.
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LANG LANG IS THE BEST PIANIST IN THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!


ha I just wanted to ask you if you like his Chopin, then I noticed you already answered this question.



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Lang Lang is a really good player. His Chopin is garbage. His Beethoven is wonderful garbage. I'm seeing him this Thursday (sorry about your luck). Two Mozart sonatas (his Mozart is garbage, unless you like your Mozart to sound like Schubert) and four Chopin ballades.

Can't wait.

I must say I agree. laugh Lang Lang is not my idea of profundity.


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Am I gonna get banned now for acting out against this old curmudgeon?


I'm pretty sure he's under 40.


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If we've reached the point where those who want to post pics of people's junk can be considered "traditionalists," I fold.

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Re: Lang Lang- his Style as a whole.
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Originally Posted by WinsomeAllegretto
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Originally Posted by Cinnamonbear

Was you teacher trying to get you to loosen up? Free up some aspect of your playing?


Her main reason was that it was kind of boring for the audience and they might as well listen to a cd if the performer doesn't really do anything visual. She also said that expressing the music physically can help the sound (at least the perception of the sound) as well. She's probably right, and I tried to take her advice, but it was a struggle because I felt like I was putting more effort into faking emotion than into actually playing.


Hey, Winnie. I thought I'd offer you my own thought, since I asked and you replied (thank you!).

Imho, the drama should come from the music that emanates from the piano, not from any theatrics of the person at the keyboard. The "show" is the music, not the musician (though some would argue that the two cannot be separated). That said, if it is natural for the artist to contort and writhe and wince and otherwise carry on while playing in order to get the drama to come forth, then so be it (I guess. I have a hard time watching Keith Jarrett play, but I love to listen to his music). I think it is most critical to listen to what you are doing when playing, and get comfortable in your own head and body to be able to do that. It can mean facial contortions for some. It can mean gentle swaying for some. It's as individual as one's own voice. Faking it? That trick never works. Be ye genuine.

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Originally Posted by Cinnamonbear

Was you teacher trying to get you to loosen up? Free up some aspect of your playing?


Her main reason was that it was kind of boring for the audience and they might as well listen to a cd if the performer doesn't really do anything visual. She also said that expressing the music physically can help the sound (at least the perception of the sound) as well. She's probably right, and I tried to take her advice, but it was a struggle because I felt like I was putting more effort into faking emotion than into actually playing.


Hey, Winnie. I thought I'd offer you my own thought, since I asked and you replied (thank you!).

Imho, the drama should come from the music that emanates from the piano, not from any theatrics of the person at the keyboard. The "show" is the music, not the musician (though some would argue that the two cannot be separated). That said, if it is natural for the artist to contort and writhe and wince and otherwise carry on while playing in order to get the drama to come forth, then so be it (I guess. I have a hard time watching Keith Jarrett play, but I love to listen to his music). I think it is most critical to listen to what you are doing when playing, and get comfortable in your own head and body to be able to do that. It can mean facial contortions for some. It can mean gentle swaying for some. It's as individual as one's own voice. Faking it? That trick never works. Be ye genuine.

imho.

If you're saying that Horowitz is just as credible, as say, me (don't worry, I know I'll never be anywhere near Horowitz... just to clarify!), because I do all sorts of crazy-movement-things (though less than Lang Lang), then I agree!


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Originally Posted by JoelW
Lang Lang is a really good player. His Chopin is garbage. His Beethoven is wonderful garbage. I'm seeing him this Thursday (sorry about your luck). Two Mozart sonatas (his Mozart is garbage, unless you like your Mozart to sound like Schubert) and four Chopin ballades.

Can't wait.


Up yours.

Am I gonna get banned now for acting out against this old curmudgeon?


Really? Up yours? I, honestly, can't say I've never read such a thing from anyone on these forums. That's a bit strong.



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I don't care. Frankly I'm sick of your attitude as a whole. You could have just said "have a good time, Joel" or at least not say anything at all. But of course you just had to dump on my post with your differing opinions, and for what purpose? Yeah, you're a real cool guy.

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