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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Wrong, Andy. grin


Wait and see, Mark. Wait and see. I believe you are being too quick to judge. wink


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Kuan: I better say some more well-deserved stuff on the positive side before we get too much further down this road. Just wanted to say (as I implied up there, but it's probably sort of lost by now) that there's very much you're doing that I think is terrific. More later. smile

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Wrong, Andy. grin

I think you just maybe need a supply of Pepto Bismol. ha

You're being way too quick to dismiss what has been said. There's more to it than you're appreciating.

It could be OK (if we wanted to be exceedingly liberal about the tempo, which most people wouldn't) if, when Kuan says that the speed is basically what he wants, he isn't including the great inconsistencies and the parts where he slows down so extremely. It looked to me like he meant the whole thing.


Can you give me an example?



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Kuan, for what little it's worth, I appreciate the tempo as it is; at its worst this performance strikes me as though part of some black and white romance film, at its best there's something....real in there...really, I really appreciate this. Thank you. I mean, um, I hear enough performances (by "real" pianists, by "virtuosos" and even "super-virtuosos") that just fail to have a point; if you sped up to "full" speed, I don't see how *your* particular interpretation would work. And it does...to me at least laugh Um...I see some others here disagree...I'd beg them to listen again because, really, it may not be a super polished, impressive display, it just *is* and what it *is* is beautiful....it's real. Um....what the heck that really means is anybody's guess smile but I mean it nonetheless. I second Cinnybear; your playing pleads for some decent recording equipment ^_^ I wish you good luck with whatever performance comes in three weeks though, if you play the other movements with as much conviction as this one, you shan't need it.
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Ah thank you Andy, Pogorelich. and FSO for your comments and kind thoughts! There is still a lot of thinking that I need to put into this movement, though the overall concept is starting to come through.

I still like my tempo!

Though moving away from that, any ideas, thoughts, comments, suggestions on other aspects? (such as tone, phrasing, legato, dynamics, treatment of counterpoint, etc?). I think those are much more interesting aspects to this piece, which result in varying tempo choices...

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Originally Posted by Pogorelich.
I think tempo is a very personal thing (unless it's borderlining on insanity, which this isn't)

I wouldn't be so quick to say that. grin Your namesake, by the way, is not borderlining on insanity - he IS insane.

As Mark says, it's about the ridiculous inconsistencies and hesitations as much as about the overall tempo.


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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
Originally Posted by Pogorelich.
I think tempo is a very personal thing (unless it's borderlining on insanity, which this isn't)

I wouldn't be so quick to say that. grin Your namesake, by the way, is not borderlining on insanity - he IS insane


That does not refute my point, and we're not discussing Pogorelich here.



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Also, I'm not "quick" to say that - it took me a few years of studying AND teaching to realize it.



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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
Your namesake, by the way, is not borderlining on insanity - he IS insane.


Who are you to judge Ivo Pogorelich?

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Neither would Kuan. grin

Trust me Kuan -- this is an instance of us knowing better than you do about what you will or won't want. smile
You are misjudging it.


Huh. This kind of statement makes me sick. sick Sorry, Mark. It just does.

Agree completely. The statement is very arrogant. If one must say something like this then do it in a PM. If you don't do PM's then don't say it.

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Sorry Mark but I agree with the others. You can't tell someone what they like! frown

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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
Your namesake, by the way, is not borderlining on insanity - he IS insane.


Who are you to judge Ivo Pogorelich?


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Originally Posted by Pogorelich.
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Originally Posted by Pogorelich.
I think tempo is a very personal thing (unless it's borderlining on insanity, which this isn't)

I wouldn't be so quick to say that. grin Your namesake, by the way, is not borderlining on insanity - he IS insane


That does not refute my point, and we're not discussing Pogorelich here.

You didn't quote my whole post (you left out the important part), and note the "by the way."


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Originally Posted by JoelW
Originally Posted by Polyphonist
Your namesake, by the way, is not borderlining on insanity - he IS insane.


Who are you to judge Ivo Pogorelich?

This means nothing. Here we go again with that so popular, and so misguided, fallacy.


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He (or she) is an anonymous person on an internet forum who may or may not be able to play the piano well.


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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
Your namesake, by the way, is not borderlining on insanity - he IS insane.


Who are you to judge Ivo Pogorelich?

He, for the record. grin


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Your namesake, by the way, is not borderlining on insanity - he IS insane.


Who are you to judge Ivo Pogorelich?

This means nothing. Here we go again with that so popular, and so misguided, fallacy.


That's not what I meant. Who are you to judge him based on his playing? Are you a psychiatrist, or just opinionated? Why would you call him insane for his odd playing? What I'd like to say right now would get me banned.

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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
Originally Posted by Pogorelich.
Originally Posted by Polyphonist
Originally Posted by Pogorelich.
I think tempo is a very personal thing (unless it's borderlining on insanity, which this isn't)

I wouldn't be so quick to say that. grin Your namesake, by the way, is not borderlining on insanity - he IS insane


That does not refute my point, and we're not discussing Pogorelich here.

You didn't quote my whole post (you left out the important part), and note the "by the way."


I did not feel the need to address your other point.

You also did not address MY point.



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Originally Posted by JoelW
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Originally Posted by JoelW
Originally Posted by Polyphonist
Your namesake, by the way, is not borderlining on insanity - he IS insane.


Who are you to judge Ivo Pogorelich?

This means nothing. Here we go again with that so popular, and so misguided, fallacy.


That's not what I meant. Who are you to judge him based on his playing? Are a psychiatrist, just an opinionated? Why would you call him insane for his odd playing? What I'd like to say right now would get me banned.

Joel, you're taking this way too seriously. What I said was a joke. I don't actually think he's insane. I probably should have added a smiley to show what I meant.

Pogorelich and Joel, I didn't know we weren't on the same page there. I sincerely apologize for any offense you may have taken. laugh


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Okay. It's just that a lot of people hold that belief in seriousness and it's ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by JoelW
Okay. It's just that a lot of people hold that belief in seriousness and it's ridiculous.

I too indeed find it ridiculous to label someone insane because of unorthodox interpretations. "Odd" or "quirky" is about as far as one can go based on that alone. Again, sorry for any confusion.


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