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#2146409 - 09/08/13 02:46 PM Youtube videos  
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Does anyone have any videos on youtube of them playing piano? I would love to see the variety of styles and songs!


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#2146446 - 09/08/13 03:31 PM Re: Youtube videos [Re: Dylan Tomlinson]  
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Look for OrangeSodaKing smile

I have some performances of me, but many other things, too. (Also, check for another recent channel of mine, Horszowski Piano, for some uploads of another pianist who has asked me to share some of his recordings.)

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Originally Posted by Orange Soda King
Look for OrangeSodaKing smile

I have some performances of me, but many other things, too. (Also, check for another recent channel of mine, Horszowski Piano, for some uploads of another pianist who has asked me to share some of his recordings.)


I enjoyed hearing your recordings as well as the Gershiwn plays Gershwin (four songs) and the Firkusny who seems to be a pianist discussed less and less going forward.

p.s. - One of the schools I went to had an Imperial Bösendorfer as well!


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#2146479 - 09/08/13 04:59 PM Re: Youtube videos [Re: Dylan Tomlinson]  
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Recital I played with a friend last year:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M0pDfcILpA

A video I made of a piece I wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQEvJ_qRpBM


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A man, Jason, I had forgotten this amazing piece and video...

Is there a place in Europe I can get that, or I have to rely in SMP, amazon, etc?

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Probably have to rely on SMP or Amazon. frown


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#2146521 - 09/08/13 05:31 PM Re: Youtube videos [Re: Dylan Tomlinson]  
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Ordered, but it's a pity that it's not available in Europe. I mean it's a considerable market I'd like to think.

#2146596 - 09/08/13 07:57 PM Re: Youtube videos [Re: Dylan Tomlinson]  
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I've just started putting up vids on YouTube for my students reference (see sig). I only started this weekend so at the moment there are 51 clips ranging from preliminary to grade 5.

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Originally Posted by Beth_Frances
I've just started putting up vids on YouTube for my students reference (see sig). I only started this weekend so at the moment there are 51 clips ranging from preliminary to grade 5.


I am curious to hear the pedagogical purpose(s) of posting videos of this type of material "for [your] students' reference."

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#2146692 - 09/09/13 12:06 AM Re: Youtube videos [Re: Nikolas]  
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Originally Posted by Nikolas


Oh wow, it looks like I have a lot to explore! My funny computer will play the sound but only displays the pictures on youtube videos sometimes (but oddly enough I can ebb it on another site and see it, ha), so I'm not getting the scores...but, man I'm loving "And... it's gone" right now. I love the writing and the performance sounds excellent.

Edit: I'm also now looking for things which correspond with your name such as Anger and Depression I (is that you?). I remember hearing a good definition of depression as "anger turned inward." I never thought of the compositional possibilities until now.

Oh and Yes! Piano Stories! I love discovering new things that are good.

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#2146701 - 09/09/13 12:36 AM Re: Youtube videos [Re: Dylan Tomlinson]  
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Oh thank you so much!

First of all about flash (youtube) I have a kinda similar problem: If I try to go full screen from youtube, I get nothing, but if I paste the link in a forum (here for example) and go full screen then it works fine...

"And... it's gone" was composed by Nikos Drelas, a Greek composer. The guitarist is a friend of mine, Antonis Hatzinikolaou, who came in my studio and did the recording... wink

And yes, "Anger and Depression" and of course "Piano Stories" are all mine! laugh

There are a lot of things to explore (not too many though). And I hope to create more in a little while (once I get some time in my hands)...

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Originally Posted by Dylan Tomlinson
Does anyone have any videos on youtube of them playing piano? I would love to see the variety of styles and songs!


You can follow the link below to my youtube channel.

And FYI, since I'm a pianist and not a vocalist, you won't find too many "songs" on my channel. grin


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Not really a pedagogical purpose - more a chance for students to look through all the pieces and see which ones they would be excited about learning without me having to waste lesson time playing through options. I've only just started doing it so I don't really know how it'll work. Maybe none of them will look at any of my videos!

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Originally Posted by carey

You can follow the link below to my youtube channel.

And FYI, since I'm a pianist and not a vocalist, you won't find too many "songs" on my channel. grin


I still remember your recording of Clair de Lune - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKmvKYqYahg - wonderful compared to the numerous perfunctory recordings out there, other than this one I've only found enjoyment in Cliburn's recording of it.

You all are too reserved in mentioning your youtube channels. Humbleness is important, but so is having a chance to visit these.


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Here's a couple of short pieces recorded recently that I uploaded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT5Q6DT2Dfg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i8GqN-I60s I wrote them but I'm not a pianist, so it's not me playing.

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Originally Posted by Michael Sayers
Originally Posted by carey

You can follow the link below to my youtube channel.

And FYI, since I'm a pianist and not a vocalist, you won't find too many "songs" on my channel. grin


I still remember your recording of Clair de Lune - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKmvKYqYahg - wonderful compared to the numerous perfunctory recordings out there, other than this one I've only found enjoyment in Cliburn's recording of it.


Thanks Michael, you are very kind !!


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Originally Posted by Beth_Frances
Not really a pedagogical purpose - more a chance for students to look through all the pieces and see which ones they would be excited about learning without me having to waste lesson time playing through options. I've only just started doing it so I don't really know how it'll work. Maybe none of them will look at any of my videos!


I am not a piano teacher, so take my concern with a large grain of salt.

My thought is : Knowing that young piano students in particular can be great imitators, many may simply watch a video they like many times and try to copy what they see and hear without really learning the score from reading it. Or, even while knowing how to read the score, learning much of the piece by rote from watching a video.

In my experience, I never had a teacher who would spend lesson time "playing through options." My teachers chose what they thought would be best for me to learn at the time and, while they helped me with technical difficulties and even helped with developing some interpretive ideas, my responsibility was to learn the piece from the score on my own.

I think much facility in score reading and sight reading can be learned, even in the early stages of piano study (as so many of us had to do before Youtube), by working through pieces rather than just sitting back and watching and listening.

As I said, I am not a teacher, and each teacher presents materials in ways that s/he thinks is best for the student, but I would be concerned that providing all this material at the click of a mouse could possibly slow - if not hinder - some aspects of musical development in some students.

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Originally Posted by BruceD

I am not a piano teacher, so take my concern with a large grain of salt.

My thought is : Knowing that young piano students in particular can be great imitators, many may simply watch a video they like many times and try to copy what they see and hear without really learning the score from reading it. Or, even while knowing how to read the score, learning much of the piece by rote from watching a video.


As I said, I am not a teacher, and each teacher presents materials in ways that s/he thinks is best for the student, but I would be concerned that providing all this material at the click of a mouse could possibly slow - if not hinder - some aspects of musical development in some students.

Regards,


You may not be aware that the ABRSM has long published CDs to go with their volumes of set pieces for all the grades.

Presumably, candidates who play exactly like the pianist on the CDs will get maximum marks wink
But at least it would save examiners having to endure odd interpretative quirks that might be imposed by teachers on their young charges......


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Originally Posted by bennevis
Originally Posted by BruceD

I am not a piano teacher, so take my concern with a large grain of salt.

My thought is : Knowing that young piano students in particular can be great imitators, many may simply watch a video they like many times and try to copy what they see and hear without really learning the score from reading it. Or, even while knowing how to read the score, learning much of the piece by rote from watching a video.


As I said, I am not a teacher, and each teacher presents materials in ways that s/he thinks is best for the student, but I would be concerned that providing all this material at the click of a mouse could possibly slow - if not hinder - some aspects of musical development in some students.

Regards,


You may not be aware that the ABRSM has long published CDs to go with their volumes of set pieces for all the grades.

Presumably, candidates who play exactly like the pianist on the CDs will get maximum marks wink
But at least it would save examiners having to endure odd interpretative quirks that might be imposed by teachers on their young charges......


I am aware that RCM (Toronto) does the same.

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Originally Posted by musica71
http://youtu.be/6hgTC_Dd1q4 So many of us post videos!


As I well know. My question wasn't about performers and teachers who post videos but about the express purpose that is behind some of those videos.

Moreover, I am of the generation that was taught - and learned well - to not be spoon-fed at each step along the way but, with the right materials and guidance, to do a lot of working out, figuring out and solving on my own. It may have taken longer, but the results - in some cases - may be greater.

As one of our well-known posters constantly reminds us :

"Do your homework." I suppose, in some cases, doing the homework consists of watching a video.

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Originally Posted by BruceD

Moreover, I am of the generation that was taught - and learned well - to not be spoon-fed at each step along the way but, with the right materials and guidance, to do a lot of working out, figuring out and solving on my own. It may have taken longer, but the results - in some cases - may be greater.


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And even if the results aren't necessarily "greater" the "process" of getting there - no matter how long - is extremely important to one's development as a musician.


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This is true. My videos are shot from the side so they can only work it out by listening, and if that improves their aural skills, awesome!

I understand your concerns, and yes, it would be better if they would sit down and nut it out themselves, but the thing is a) a lot of them won't. If it's too hard they'll leave it for me to help them next lesson and b) if they don't look at my video, they'll look at one of the hundreds of others of other kids/adults/teachers playing the pieces.

AMEB, the examination board in Australia, also puts out cds of their exam syllabus's. I've never had anyone get less than a B yet though and around half my students get As so I'm not too worried about exam marks. I just want happy students who are excited and engaged in what they're doing.

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Originally Posted by carey
Originally Posted by BruceD

Moreover, I am of the generation that was taught - and learned well - to not be spoon-fed at each step along the way but, with the right materials and guidance, to do a lot of working out, figuring out and solving on my own. It may have taken longer, but the results - in some cases - may be greater.


AMEN !!!!!!! thumb

And even if the results aren't necessarily "greater" the "process" of getting there - no matter how long - is extremely important to one's development as a musician.


Don't people just learn pieces on their own without the help (or even knowledge) of their teacher, once they get to the stage of being able to read music well enough?

When I was going through the ABRSM grades, all my teachers chose the pieces they wanted me to learn, including all the fingerings they'd prepared in advance, etc, etc. On my own, after Grade 5, I learnt Rachmaninoff's C# minor Prelude, some Chopin waltzes, Beethoven's Pathetique, and his Spring Sonata so that I could partner my violinist cousin (who was also learning it without the knowledge of his violin teacher), with whom I'd already played some easy salon music like Godard's Berceuse and other arrangements for violin & piano. Not to mention muddling my way through (attrib.) Bach's Toccata & Fugue in D minor from the original organ score, and Beethoven's 5th Symphony from the orchestral score. And lots more. (My school's music department had a good library).

I thought it was all fun, and never thought of it as contributing to my development as a pianist - that was my teachers' job grin. Looking back at it all now, yes, I was being totally spoon-fed by my teachers, but that was the way kids were taught then. I don't remember them ever giving me a choice of pieces to learn, whether for the exams or anything else, and I never thought of asking them to teach me pieces that I particularly wanted to play: much more fun to learn the latter on my own so that I could play them exactly the way I wanted, without their interpretation being imposed on me grin. And yes, I did check by listening to recordings (whenever possible) that I wasn't inadvertently misreading anything, though I never tried to copy what the pianist did on the recording. By then, I already had my own mind about how the music should go. (I still remember that I thought Wilhelm Backhaus's Pathetique slow movement was far too fast and perfunctory wink ).

In effect, when I was learning by myself (partly with the help of recordings), I was playing with much more individuality than anything I was learning with my teachers, who would simply ask me to change anything they didn't agree with in my playing. In effect, I'd end up playing the music the way they'd play it themselves. But when I watch masterclasses with established pianists teaching aspiring concert pianists, there usually isn't anything much different there either - the students are still expected to do what they're told. Probably even more so than I remember from my lessons. And many of those 'established pianists' brook no alternative viewpoint to their own.........


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Some of us have plenty to be humble about …. grin

My channel was primarily for my two kids on their respective instruments (piano and flute).

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I don't want my students to play exactly like me. I *do* want them to observe all the dynamic, articulation and tempo markings however. But if they can do that and show me a completely different interpretation I am thrilled. I do think listening is a very important part of learning music though - to me, to their friends, to the music in movies etc. You can't learn to speak a language well without being immersed in it.

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Originally Posted by bennevis

In effect, when I was learning by myself (partly with the help of recordings), I was playing with much more individuality than anything I was learning with my teachers, who would simply ask me to change anything they didn't agree with in my playing. In effect, I'd end up playing the music the way they'd play it themselves. But when I watch masterclasses with established pianists teaching aspiring concert pianists, there usually isn't anything much different there either - the students are still expected to do what they're told. Probably even more so than I remember from my lessons. And many of those 'established pianists' brook no alternative viewpoint to their own.........


Heinrich Neuhaus and Franz Liszt deserve admiration as piano teachers for setting themselves up as sterling examples of the opposite. Heinrich Neuhaus, as in this linked recording, sounded nothing like his student Sviatoslav Richter:

Chopin Polonaise-Fantaisie op. 61 - Heinrich Neuhaus, 1958
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With my personal experience of piano teaching I eventually found a place where the head of piano taught open-mindedly and it was okay for me to trust my musical instincts.

I only wanted to practice, I was tremendously ambitious at the time and could see no way to accomplish what I wanted except with relentless effort, and the only way I could calculate to assuredly do this for even a small number of years was to keep re-enrolling every semester and drop all courses except for the one with the piano performance grade. I eventually obtained 24hr access to the building and also the Imperial Bösendorfer in the main hall.

Unfortunately this is not the way one graduates!


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Heinrich Neuhaus and Franz Liszt deserve admiration as piano teachers for setting themselves up as sterling examples of the opposite. Heinrich Neuhaus, as in this linked recording, sounded nothing like his student Sviatoslav Richter:



As you say, Neuhaus was a shining example of a pedagogue who helped and encouraged his pupils to find their own voices - Gilels, Richter, Lupu and Lubimov are four very different pianists who prospered under his tutelage.

One of the most ghastly examples I ever saw of a masterclass was when a certain pianist (who had better remain unnamed) spent almost the whole class on the opening chord of Beethoven's Piano Concerto No.4 - he wouldn't let go until the student had voiced it exactly the way he wanted it. As far as he was concerned, it was the only way to play that chord - because he said so.


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Wouldn't playing a few bars of a piece for a student be more interesting to them rather than sitting in front of a screen? It takes no more than 10-15 minutes, and you only do it about once a semester. I don't see it being a huge problem..



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