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Originally Posted by Thrill Science
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(There's a note in Ravel's Jeux d'Eau that always sounded off, and a note in the last movement of the Pathetique that jars me.)

Here I thought you were going to say it's this note in Jeux D'eau

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which really should be a G# but is written as a "A".

I play this as an "G#" when people come over and ask what the extra keys are for....


Of course there's that too! But this is a different case from disagreeing with a composer's choice, for what other choice did Ravel have here? If I had the low G#, I'd play it too.

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Originally Posted by slipperykeys
" One is often betrayed by so-called pianists! [...] Does Debussy think people set out to "betray" him?

Is he so important that many pianists are going around the world deliberately betraying Claude Debussy?

[...]


sk :

Please keep in mind that this is a translation from the French. The original, whether Debussy used the verb trahir or not would have to be looked into, and might give a totally different tone to his comment when viewed in the original context. There's much truth to the statement that "much is lost in translation."

Regards,


I wish I had credited the writer in my first post, I should have, I do apologise to you for that.

There is not only, "betray" but also "deformed", with England and France being so close there are many bi-lingual people in both countries and by and large most French to English or vice-versa is fairly close to the intent of the original.
Even if the quote concerned was interpreted by the American who wrote the article, he is well educated in French.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Ivry

The article, titled "Ravel vs Debussy" and written by the above Benjamin Ivry takes the quote from a letter to Edgard Varese.

The para: starts, "Because Debussy really could produce ideal renditions of his own music at the keyboard, he may have been more unforgiving about other interpreters of his music than was Ravel."

"In 1910 Debussy wrote to the composer Edgard Varese complaining...." then comes the quote.

Personally, bearing in mind the in-depth knowledge of the writer I am happy to take the quote, and indeed the whole article, at face value but can understand if others do not wish to.


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Originally Posted by Thrill Science

Here I thought you were going to say it's this note in Jeux D'eau

[Linked Image]

which really should be a G# but is written as a "A".

I play this as an "G#" when people come over and ask what the extra keys are for....


Hence also a reason for certain additions and changes with 19th century music published for pianos that only go down to the low C.


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