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I've been looking for a bench & checked out the Frederick. There seems to be a newer, better(?) one for $269, and wonder if someone could tell me if the "new improved" version would be worth it.There is also an OSP bench for $329 that grandpianobench.com has. Yet again, a Woodmaster BN-1200 for $269.99 at vandaking.com, and it includes storage. As someone pretty new to all this, to say I'm confused is an understatement. Advice, please.

I had originally (last night) posted this to an older string on the same topic, but decided I'd better put it where people would see it more easily.

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Oh no, not again. Here come the Jansen fanboys.


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Consider the world's best bench, the Hidrau BM45H

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Originally Posted by BoseEric
Consider the world's best bench, the Hidrau BM45H

I'm thinking about a new bench so I googled this product. I'm assuming you have one? It looks too wide for a single artist but too narrow for a duet bench (at least for two full size adults). Also, that padding looks thin. Is it comfortable for long periods of time?
Any idea of life expectancy on the "nitrogen cylinder" system? Office chairs use something like that, and they don't last very long. Also SUV rear hatches use pressurized cylinders, and those only seem to last 10 - 20 years.
I'd be plenty happy for you to prove these points wrong, with a response like "They've been manufacturing them for 50 years and they're all still working fine." I'm not thrilled about the price of Jansen.


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I've sat on one of these a few times (the Hidrau bench) and performed on one once. They're absolutely fabulous. My recollection of the particular model I tried was not quite the size of a long duet bench, but it could work in a pinch. The adjustability was effortless (something I cannot say about the others - in some cases the mechanism is so binding that it hurts my hands to change positions) and the seat cushion certainly felt a little different, but not thinly padded. It also looks really modern.

BoseEric is the US distributor for the benches, I believe. I've seen them at Hulbert Piano in the Milwaukee area and there are a ton of them in the showroom at Piano Craft in the DC area.

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Just a comment about the Frederick bench. The Frederick bench looks like a fine bench, but I was a little concerned when I saw the inner mechanicals of the height adjustment. If you look at pictures of Shaolin95's Frederick bench you'll see what the mechanism looks like.

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Compare this with the innner mechanism of the Jansen bench here:

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My point is that with many things, you do get what you pay for. That's not to say the Frederick bench isn't a fine bench, or that it won't last, but their reduced price is at least partly due to the cuts they made in the mechanism.


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Originally Posted by Steve Peterson
My point is that with many things, you do get what you pay for. That's not to say the Frederick bench isn't a fine bench, or that it won't last, but their reduced price is at least partly due to the cuts they made in the mechanism.

The conclusion could also be drawn that Jansen benches are simply overbuilt and overpriced.


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Minnesota Marty #2140848 08/29/13 04:16 PM
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hahah good point as always Marty. thumb

I cannot really say how long lasting is going to be since I got it recently plus I am not a heavy person at just about 165lbs but I dont see anything that screams cheapo on its built quality to be concerned. smile


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Well, I finally bit the bullet & ordered the same Frederick that Shaolin has -- it certainly looks good, and since it has held both him and Marty w/o falling apart.... laugh

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Originally Posted by shaolin95
hahah good point as always Marty. thumb

I cannot really say how long lasting is going to be since I got it recently plus I am not a heavy person at just about 165lbs but I dont see anything that screams cheapo on its built quality to be concerned. smile


It really depends on the weight of the person sitting on it. That mechanism looks well capable of holding somebody up to about 180-190lbs, and I would expect no problems. Beyond 200 and I'd want something more sturdy. I'm 6'6" and beyond 250lbs so I wouldn't get such a bench, but I don't necessarily need the nuclear blast resistant powers of the Jansen either. I currently have an old Yamaha bench that is holding just fine, it's mechanicals are midway between the Frederick and the Jansen.

Bottom line you only need a bench that is strong enough to hold you. As long as no gorillas jump on it without your approval you'll probably be ok.

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Originally Posted by leel
Well, I finally bit the bullet & ordered the same Frederick that Shaolin has -- it certainly looks good, and since it has held both him and Marty w/o falling apart.... laugh

[Linked Image] Well, Shaolin and I haven't been on the bench at the same time!

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leel,

Check out Shaolin's thread for some assembly tips. Also, don't bother with the 'ikea' sized wrench and use a grown-up tool.


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Check out Shaolin's thread for some assembly tips. Also, don't bother with the 'ikea' sized wrench and use a grown-up tool.


Thanks for the tip, Marty. Typical Minnesota nice.
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Do not tighten the nuts that hold the legs on so tight that the metal brackets bend! Just tighten them enough to flatten the lock washers.


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"The conclusion could also be drawn that Jansen benches are simply overbuilt and overpriced."

Jansens are not overbuilt and overpriced, just designed for day in day out institutional use. There is a quantum difference in the mechanism. One is built to last and the other isn't. Everything is fine...until it isn't, and the money's already been spent. I have an engineering friend in the aerospace industry and his motto is "Anything that's worth doing...is worth overdoing." Only one of these benches qualifies in that regard. Your mileage may vary.

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It is interesting that everyone considers the Frederick mechanism to be "the bottom of the barrel." It is not! There are some really 'garbage' benches on the market. Do a little searching and you will find them. There seems to be roaring bench bigotry around here. It's as common as Steinway Bashing.

I get very frustrated when the attitude is constantly displayed that it is "Jansen, or don't bother." That's like saying "Buy a Fazioli, or don't bother." Benches, like pianos, come in a range of prices and quality levels. Shoppers have different needs and budgets. That should be respected.

It is useless to give advice based on speculation or standard PW mindset. "I have heard" doesn't cut it. One might dream of a Steingraeber E-272 but can be very happy with an Albert Weber AW-185.



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Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty
I get very frustrated when the attitude is constantly displayed that it is "Jansen, or don't bother." That's like saying "Buy a Fazioli, or don't bother." Benches, like pianos, come in a range of prices and quality levels. Shoppers have different needs and budgets. That should be respected.


Since you seem to be referring to my comments, please allow me to retort. I did not say he should buy a Jansen. In fact, I said that bench may be a fine bench. I simply pointed out a fact of the build of the bench that isn't shown in any of the marketing pictures I've seen. In fact, I wouldn't have known about it unless Shaolin95 had posted the picture in his initial thread. Pointing out obvious differences in design, part of which explains the difference in price between the two benches, is not saying one must get a Jansen.

I have a Jansen bench, because I got a great deal on it when I bought my piano. If that hadn't happened, I may indeed have bought the Frederick. However, I would have wanted to know the differences between the two, which are almost impossible to tell from the standard web descriptions.

In conclusion, please stop trying to turn every freaking discussion into an argument. It tires and vexes me. Thanks.



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Esthetically speaking isn't there a gap visible when the bench is dialed up?
that to me is a turnoff.. why don't they have leather flaps like a sofa skirt
to hide the space when its raised up? just my 2 cents smile

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Steve,

I wasn't aiming my remarks at you. It was written in general terms. I've seen these threads show up repeatedly at PW with the same comments over and over again. Please read back through this thread, and previous threads, and you will see a distinct pattern.


Bob Newbie,

To which bench are you referring? Most manufacturers offer various styles of benches. Some are skirted and some are not. Some have storage, some do not.


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