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Estonia 225 for $48,000 a good deal? #2138066 08/24/13 01:27 AM
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Hi,

Long time lurker, 1st time poster here. Well I finally have the funds to buy a nice piano and got an offer for a new Estonia 225 (7'4") hidden beauty model (bubinga on certain areas). I always wanted a Bosendorfer CS214 but its out of my price range.

I'm not 100% sold on the Estonia sound since I like a more complex tone, but it seems like a decent deal. Its $48,000 including tax so out the door price. It includes a Jansen artist bench as well,

Please advise.....

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Re: Estonia 225 for $48,000 a good deal? [Re: Erink] #2138070 08/24/13 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Erink
Hi,

Long time lurker, 1st time poster here. Well I finally have the funds to buy a nice piano and got an offer for a new Estonia 225 (7'4") hidden beauty model (bubinga on certain areas). I always wanted a Bosendorfer CS214 but its out of my price range.

I'm not 100% sold on the Estonia sound since I like a more complex tone, but it seems like a decent deal. Its $48,000 including tax so out the door price. It includes a Jansen artist bench as well,

Please advise.....

Thanks!


I'd say no matter how good of deal it might be (and I'm not sure... I've never shopped Estonias) it's a bad idea for you if you're not 100 percent sold on the Estonia sound. $48,000 is a good budget - I'd suggest keep searching until you find the piano you fall in love with.

Nothing wrong with deciding Estonia (or any other piano) isn't the piano for you. I haven't played one, but from recordings I don't think I'd fall in love with one either.

Which other pianos have you tried?


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Re: Estonia 225 for $48,000 a good deal? [Re: musicpassion] #2138076 08/24/13 02:04 AM
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Thanks for the reply. Well the ones I tried and liked are out of my price range. I've tried and loved Steinways (some), Bosendorfers, Mason & Hamlins, and Bechsteins. Didn't really like Kawai/Yamahas or any Chinese pianos. Would love to try a Charles Walter though. The Estonia's I've played are OK, good tone but nothing compared to the aforementioned....but price is a factor....

Re: Estonia 225 for $48,000 a good deal? [Re: Erink] #2138086 08/24/13 02:33 AM
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Is having a grand over 7 feet a must? If not there are some great 5'6 or under 6' pianos for your budget. I've played some Grotrians, Bechstein grands at that range. I don't mind Estonia but wasn't wowed by them either. Sauters are nice too, but at that price you'd be looking at their uprights.

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A 7 footer is definitely preferable as I love deep bass notes, louder sound/dynamics, and it will also fill my dedicated piano room better. I also tried the Sauters and they were very nice as well.

Re: Estonia 225 for $48,000 a good deal? [Re: Erink] #2138103 08/24/13 04:15 AM
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I don't think you should rush in and buy a $48,000 piano if you're not convinced that you love it. There must be other options in your price range.

Have you tried Yamaha C7X, Shigeru Kawai, Bechstein A series? I'm sure there are other options too, but these spring to mind as possibilitites, although I don't know the exact pricing in your local market.

Or wait a bit longer and see what turns up on the used market. Maybe a rebuilt/repaired Steinway B or Bösendorfer?

Re: Estonia 225 for $48,000 a good deal? [Re: Erink] #2138123 08/24/13 05:51 AM
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At $48k, you are being treated very fairly on the Estonia 225.

Although there is a performance difference between the Estonia and the Bosendorfer, they are both fine pianos.

I hope that helps.


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Re: Estonia 225 for $48,000 a good deal? [Re: Rich Galassini] #2138158 08/24/13 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Rich Galassini
At $48k, you are being treated very fairly on the Estonia 225.

Although there is a performance difference between the Estonia and the Bosendorfer, they are both fine pianos.

I hope that helps.


Bosendorfer is a more refined piano from the factory, but the Estonia is very good and with excellent prep, it at a minimum will hold its own. The fit and finish of the Bose is better, but again, the Estonia is awfully nice here as well.
The Bose has a special sound that you only get with a Bose, but the same could be said for the Estonia.

48k is more than fair for a 225 especially considering that this is among the rarest of pianos and that is not hyperbole. Other than special orders that are paid for in advance, these pianos are 100% on back order pretty much indefinitely.


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Re: Estonia 225 for $48,000 a good deal? [Re: Erink] #2138482 08/24/13 07:32 PM
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I don't really know the latest prices on the Mason BB as I bought mine around 6 years ago, but I think they're reasonably close to, probably a few thousand above, the price you were quoted on the Estonia.

I do agree with the poster who said if you don't love the Estonia that much it may not be a good idea no matter what the price is. Of course, for most people, buying a piano involves some compromise between their budget and their perfect piano.

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Thanks for all the advice here on this board. I will try some more piano stores and see what kind of deals there are in my price range. I guess I have to be realistic as well and compromise somewhat. I did get a call from the dealer and he dropped the price by $1,500 which makes it a little more tempting. Don't get me wrong, the Estonia is a very nice piano but I feel like there is something better out there. Hmmm what to do....


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Originally Posted by Erink
Hmmm what to do....

Play as many different pianos, of different brands, as you can!

That's half the fun of it.


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I agree with the bulk of the advice you've been given. If you're going to spend nearly $50K don't "settle." Find something you love. It's out there/ Keep looking.


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You'd be hard pressed to find a better piano for that price.

Re: Estonia 225 for $48,000 a good deal? [Re: Erink] #2138578 08/24/13 11:43 PM
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Don't get me wrong, the Estonia is a very nice piano but I feel like there is something better out there. Hmmm what to do....


Don't buy the piano.

IMHO you're not ready for this deal.

Perhaps it will take more time, perhaps not.

That's my honest opinion.

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Originally Posted by Erink
Thanks for all the advice here on this board. I will try some more piano stores and see what kind of deals there are in my price range. I guess I have to be realistic as well and compromise somewhat. I did get a call from the dealer and he dropped the price by $1,500 which makes it a little more tempting. Don't get me wrong, the Estonia is a very nice piano but I feel like there is something better out there. Hmmm what to do....



You said everything you need to know about the Estonia. So continue your search and find your piano. 48K will buy many different types of very fine pianos, find one you love.


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HI Erink-

I am also in the market for a 7ft grand piano (mostly for recording) but also for practicing- my budget is not quite as high as yours so I had considered an Estonia 190 for awhile- even though it is a bit smaller than 7ft-
I was really hung up on the Estonia brand for awhile- I learned all about the history of the company, watched the informational video on YouTube, and was really intrigued by it. However, when I finally played a couple 190s- they seemed a little too "echoey" and a bit muddy in the bass register, at least for my ears. I decided it wasn't quite for me- it's a fine piano, and I know others really like it though.

In the 7ft range, I was curious if you have tried a used Schimmel K 213 or even a used Baldwin SF-10. Some of those can be really nice.

I guess my advice would be not to rush into anything and just take your time- try lots of pianos- when you find the one you want, it will fit like a glove. That's the same theory I'm using in my search as well! :-)

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Opps, I meant to write Bechstein B series (as opposed to the more expensive C. Bechstein pianos.) I got a bit confused, as what was previously the Bechstein Academy line is now being rebranded as the B series, but I don't think all dealers or all countries have switched over yet. Not sure if the piano designs have been changed or not. Either way, if you like C. Bechsteins, these are a more affordable option.


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I can't tell what part of the world you are in, but on the USA west coast your price range should get you a perfectly rebuilt (50 year old or older) Steinway B, Mason&Hamlin BB or a 15 to 20 year old B or BB that has been fully reconditioned to like new, (should be prepared better than new), performance and durability.

Have you considered used/rebuilt?


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Re: Estonia 225 for $48,000 a good deal? [Re: Norbert] #2138751 08/25/13 11:48 AM
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Don't get me wrong, the Estonia is a very nice piano but I feel like there is something better out there. Hmmm what to do....


Don't buy the piano.

IMHO you're not ready for this deal.

Perhaps it will take more time, perhaps not.

That's my honest opinion.

Norbert


For those members out there who constantly accuse Norbert of excessively promoting the piano marques he sells, I cite this post as evidence to the contrary. There's hope for you yet, Norbert! smile thumb

Now back to the OP's issue. I agree with Norbert and other posters who suggested that you not buy the Estonia, at least not yet. Estonia is a highly-regarded marque, but $48,000 is a lot of money to pay for a piano about which you are uncertain.

You say you want a 7-footish piano, presumably for $40,000 -$50,000. The Schimmel C208, Schimmel K213, Mason & Hamlin BB, Shigeru Kawai SK-5, and Bechstein A208 models come to mind. You might have to either negotiate vigorously on the price of some of these pianos, or settle for a "mere" 6.5-footer, in order to stay within your budget.

Try some of these suggested models (and used versions of other models as well), and see if you like any of them better than the Estonia. Then buy the one you like the best.

Good luck.

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