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New Estonia 190 #213848
04/07/04 05:37 PM
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A long month has passed since I ordered my new Estonia 190. We did a some renovation to the house, Painting , hardwood floors, carpeting ect. to get ready for delivery... sounds like a baby arriving. Actually, a lot of it was a concession to the wife to keep me out of the dog house. "If you can spend that much money on a piano then we can do some things around the house". Guess who that quote is from..... that's right Frank's wife. I haven't added it all up yet but I think she doubled the price of the piano.

Anyway, THE PIANO, finaly took delivery this last Saturday and all I can say is.........

WOW!! WOW!! WOW!!

Sounds better than it did in the showroom. I negotiated to have my tech do the first in home tuning and voicing, which won't take place for another few weeks but even if it doesn't get much better I would still be a very very happy camper. I am not a very good player YET, only 15 months and it even makes me sound good. Actually my wife loves the piano and she doesn't even play. It's a good thing because this was a unilateral purchase. In some instances it is better to ask for forgiveness rather than permission laugh . You married guys know what I'm talking about :rolleyes: . Anyway I'll post pictures when I can get my IT guy to help me out with it.

Thanks to all for the input when I was trying to make my decision. It was between the Kawai RX-3 and the Estonia 190. I know I made the right decision for me. At one point I was concerned if the base was strong enough, I can say that is a non issue now.

Thanks again thumb ,


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Re: New Estonia 190 #213849
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Congratulations on the new piano! thumb

Re: New Estonia 190 #213850
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Obviously there is a reason why Estonia has won the hearts of so many people here.

"...concerned if the base was strong enough. Can say that this is a non issue now!"

Confirmed by everybody I sold the same piano!

Congrats and enjoy!

P.S..... "for life"!!

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Congrats on joining the Estonia club! I've had my 1998 190 for almost 2 years now and still get a thrill out of playing it. I've also found that having a nice instrument has really increased my learning speed and motivation - may your Estonia do the same to you! thumb


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Congratulations on the new Estonia Frank! They really are beautiful pianos. Did you go with ebony or a wood finish?

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Al,

Did you go with ebony or a wood finish?

Ebony


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congratulations!

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Now where the euphoria over the new piano may slowly subside..... are you willing to summarize your reason for making the decision for the Estonia perhaps one more time?

Thanks,

Norbert smile


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Re: New Estonia 190 #213856
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Norbert,

In answer to your question.

"Now where the euphoria over the new piano may slowly subside..... are you willing to summarize your reason for making the decision for the Estonia perhaps one more time?"

There were several factors that led to my final decision. First of all you need to know that I am pretty new at this piano buying business so I did a lot of research, on the web as well as talking and listening to more experienced people. My first piano was a Kawai K-18 upright. It served me well for the time and purpose that it was used. First was Value for the dollar, not knowing if it was something that I would really want to do for an extended period of time and could I recoop a good portion of my investment if it wasn't. Also, wanted a piano that was a good quality entry level piano with a decent sound. As it turned out that piano fit both criteria.

OK, now the Estonia.

My first decision was a grand in the 6'+ range. This was based on the reading of many posts on this forum and confirmation from the tech that I use that 6'+ is preferable. I have a lot of respect for his opinions. He was brought up in the business and was recommended to me by someone at the Kawai service center in CA as the person they use when no one else can fix a problem.

Second was price. I wanted to spend no more than about $15,000. Well that didn't work out but not too far off.

Next was the best quality and sound for the amount that I could afford (or was willing)to spend.

Based to these things I looked at several brands and decided that the Kawai RX series was a good quality production piano. I asked my tech about the RX-2 & RX-3. He told me that the RX-3 in his opinion was the better of the two and that Kawai was introducing some new parts in their acions and that he was involved in installing them in an RX-3 for Kawai for the NAMM convention in CA. He said that would be a good piano to consider when the transition is made.

Based on that and other things that I read on PW forum I thought that the Kawai would be my choice. So I started to go into the piano store (Piano Factory Outlet in Tustin CA) several times to play and listen to a very nice used RX-3 that was right in my price range. Thought this is probabily the one. WELL, they have a seperate room were they keep the more expensive pianos, of course I had to see and hear what that was all about. They had Petrof, Kawai S...?, Estonia and several other vintage pianos of various brands. So long story short, the sounds of the pianos in that room were vastly superior to the many Asian pianos in the other room. Started hanging around in there, but I was still torn between price and sound. Read many posts on PW about the Estonia and Petrof, I liked both but the tone of the Estonia just grabbed me. When I would leave the store I wanted to go right back and play more. But the cheep side of me couldn't plunk down the bigger bucks so I thought I would talk to my tech one more time. I knew being so involved with Kawai he would talk me out of the Estonia and tell the CHEEP me what I wanted to hear. Get the Kawai there's not that much difference (right). To my surprise he said if it was him he would get the Estonia period end of story. However, I should consider name recognition, Kawai would be easier to sell if I wanted to (not an option). The superior quality of a hand made piano over a production piano for not much more money was important to consider. The last thing he asked me was, of all the pianos that I played which one spoke to me?

Went back to the piano store the next morning. Got up at 5am didn't sleep much. Damn store didn't open until 10 am. After ten minutes at the store I called my tech and asked him if he was in the area could he come look at a piano for me? Said he could be there in the afternoon. So I negotiated the the deal and gave a deposit contingent upon tech approval. The result is a beautiful ebony Estonia 190 sitting in my living room.

Sorry for the long post but Norbert you asked the question. Also, thanks to you and several others for making me aware of the Estonia pianos. Without the information provided on this forun I may never have known to play many piano and find the one that moved me. This Estonia does that. Played "STARDUST" this morning damn near brought a tear to my eye.

Thanks again,


Keep a song in your heart!

Frank
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Re: New Estonia 190 #213857
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And "THANK YOU", Frank for your long and very interesting post.

Anybody here for whom this worked the other way around?

Norbert


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Frank,

Congratulations on your new Estonia 190.

Re: New Estonia 190 #213859
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From a fellow Estonia 190 owner, I say a hearty

<font color="red" size=+1>CONGRATULATIONS!</font>

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Re: New Estonia 190 #213860
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does anyone out there have any familiarity with the Charles Walter grand piano?

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does anyone out there have any familiarity with the Charles Walter grand piano?
Lot's of people around here like them, Dan M just bought one (not delivered yet though). Difficult to get to try one in some places, including the small town where I live.

Re: New Estonia 190 #213862
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pete,

The Walter grand is very nice - well built and a fine performing instrument. Do you have any more specific questions?

full disclosure - I sell 'em.

Frank,

Happy Estonia!!!

full disclosure - I sell them too.


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Re: New Estonia 190 #213863
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Rich is right.

The Charles Walter is another excellent piano.
[I don't sell them! mad ]

Similiar to the Estonia,however, [which I do sell..] it also uses high quality components [considered redundant or wasteful by some on the board... eek ] and is a very well designed and crafted piano.

Somewhat darker in tone than the Estonia, it appeals to those who would perhaps flirt with the idea of getting a M.H. [which I don't sell...yet laugh ] but are somehow perhaps prevented by reasons of cost.

Norbert smile


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Re: New Estonia 190 #213864
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Congrats from another Estonia owner, Frank!

Cindy -- Mahogany polish 190

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you know - I don't live by an Estonia dealer, and am considering buying a 5'6" sight unseen (or keys unplayed) from an out of town dealer. (prepped by a local tech to my satisfaction is part of the deal)

what are your thoughts. I've played 2 Estonias - one larger and one that size. Adored both of them...Any Estonia glitches I should be aware on on receipt.


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Re: New Estonia 190 #213866
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Apple,

Have been playing the heck out of the 190 for over a week now and no complaints. Tuning due in a couple of weeks. If it gets much better I may never get to work.


Keep a song in your heart!

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Re: New Estonia 190 #213867
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Estonia is one of the very few pianos today you can buy right 'out of the box' with complete confidence.

The Laul family members in the factory are doing an incredible job in quality control to assure virtual perfection and total consistency in each and every model shipped out these days.

That's why so many dealers today would absolutely LOVE to sell Estonia grands [if they only could....]

There's precious little left to do once a piano arrives at their showroom.

Except "selling it"!

norbert wink


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