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#2131816 08/12/13 02:10 PM
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I hope you enjoy this expressionless rendition of my latest work.


http://musescore.com/user/83619/scores/122911

Any tips for the score? I left out all pedal. Will performers assume NOT to use pedal or understand that all pedaling is their choice?


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Originally Posted by JoelW
I hope you enjoy this expressionless rendition of my latest work.


http://musescore.com/user/83619/scores/122911

Any tips for the score? I left out all pedal. Will performers assume NOT to use pedal or understand that all pedaling is their choice?



I like this one quite a bit as well. Before I clicked play I was hearing the music in my head quite lyrically with Tempo rubato in the range of quarter note = 69 to quarter note = 54, so maybe beside "Tempo rubato" some "(quarter note = x to y)" is needed if you really want the music so fast!

Maybe one could just put "Ped. ad libitum" under the first bar.

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I hope you enjoy this expressionless rendition of my latest work.


http://musescore.com/user/83619/scores/122911

Any tips for the score? I left out all pedal. Will performers assume NOT to use pedal or understand that all pedaling is their choice?



I like this one quite a bit as well. Before I clicked play I was hearing the music in my head quite lyrically with Tempo rubato in the range of quarter note = 69 to quarter note = 54, so maybe beside "Tempo rubato" some "(quarter note = x to y)" is needed if you really want the music so fast!

Maybe one could just put "Ped. ad libitum" under the first bar.

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I changed it to "Presto con rubato".

And thanks for the pedaling term. Hadn't heard of that.

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I'd change the meter to either 3/8 or 6/8 to better capture the feel of the piece at that tempo. In 3/4, I'd expect to hear three beats, but I hear this in one beat to the bar at that tempo.



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I noticed this too after I finished it. I don't have time to completely rescore though. Oh well for now.

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Originally Posted by JoelW

Any tips for the score? I left out all pedal. Will performers assume NOT to use pedal or understand that all pedaling is their choice?

I would definitely not think twice about using pedal heavily in this work. It won't be a problem for a competent performer.

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I'd change the meter to either 3/8 or 6/8 to better capture the feel of the piece at that tempo. In 3/4, I'd expect to hear three beats, but I hear this in one beat to the bar at that tempo.


I think it's fine the way it is, a la Chopin scherzi.

By the way, Joel - I think it would be a good idea to expand your musical literacy to some composers besides Chopin. Your repertoire is almost completely composed of Chopin, if I am correct, and all of your works tend to sound a bit too much like his. smile


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Originally Posted by Polyphonist

By the way, Joel - I think it would be a good idea to expand your musical literacy to some composers besides Chopin. Your repertoire is almost completely composed of Chopin, if I am correct, and all of your works tend to sound a bit too much like his. smile


Joel's music is beautiful and effective - I am confident he is of sufficient musical discernment to craft his own path as a composer.

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Originally Posted by Michael Sayers
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By the way, Joel - I think it would be a good idea to expand your musical literacy to some composers besides Chopin. Your repertoire is almost completely composed of Chopin, if I am correct, and all of your works tend to sound a bit too much like his. smile


Joel's music is beautiful and effective - I am confident he is of sufficient musical discernment to craft his own path as a composer.

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Without wanting to say anything about Joel himself... how do you know exactly? All the works he's shown are very attached to Chopin's music!

How will he take his own path and finds his own voice if he can't let go of a single period in classical music, let alone a single composer?

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By the way, Joel - I think it would be a good idea to expand your musical literacy to some composers besides Chopin. Your repertoire is almost completely composed of Chopin, if I am correct, and all of your works tend to sound a bit too much like his. smile


Joel's music is beautiful and effective - I am confident he is of sufficient musical discernment to craft his own path as a composer.

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Without wanting to say anything about Joel himself... how do you know exactly? All the works he's shown are very attached to Chopin's music!

How will he take his own path and finds his own voice if he can't let go of a single period in classical music, let alone a single composer?

Precisely.


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Thanks, Michael.

About my music:

I'm a little confused. My music sounds nothing like Chopin - except the Mazurka, which is an obvious response to Chopin. "In the style of.." if you will.

The miniatures sound NOTHING like Chopin. My A major prelude, hardly. The G major prelude, maybe a little more, but there's nothing wrong with that. It's called influence. Just look at early Scriabin. Just because my music is on the obviously tonal side doesn't mean I'm "stuck" in anything. I write that way because I like to. I could write more modern, less tonal sounding music all day long, but frankly it doesn't interest me. Keep in mind that this is my first year in my journey of composition. I will change. Let me change on my own. I don't know why you're so eager to criticize my supposed 'lack of a voice'.

Chopin is my favorite composer, but I don't only listen to him. Don't act like you know who I've heard and who I listen to. It isn't wise to assume things like that.


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This one is really cool. I think it would sound really cool if you took the same idea you have here (same rhythmic motives, melodic content) but wrote it in minor instead.

Did you have any specific concerns about this? What's great about it is that it really does sound quite finished. There's really no "bleh" sections or parts that sound lazily constructed. It's all very nicely consistent, short, and to the point (appropriately titled "Prelude").

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Thanks, stalefleas. No, I have no concerns about this piece. I do know what you mean though; I feel that this one's special. Though it is my shortest piece, I feel like it's my most mature work. I find the melody works the whole way through, it's fluid. Nothing sounds forced.

I don't know how I would translate it into a minor key. Because though this piece is in a major key, there are minor elements scattered in it. Perhaps you are suggesting that I invert them? i.e. the piece would start off with a major motif, develop, then end in a minor key?

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Originally Posted by JoelW
I find the melody works the whole way through, it's fluid. Nothing sounds forced.
Indeed, good work! thumb thumb

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Hi Joel,

I just experienced a minuscule revelation.

As you know, there are the "Bach-Busoni" editions, "Schubert-Liszt" editions, and other transcriptions . . . you could transcribe some Wagner and it would be "Wagner-Wagner"! People would probably think it is a misprint on the music programme.

Better yet, you could personally readapt some "Wagner-Liszt" to the piano and get "Wagner-Liszt-Wagner"!!!

Personally I would like to see the reactions of audience members scrutinizing such things on a programme . . .

Please continue your impressive compositional work! Very rich in content, I feel much that is in it . . .


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Lmao!

Thanks, Michael.

I might consider doing this. I would need to find a piece that could be fitting for solo piano transcription though. I don't know any Wagner. He's one of the only major composers I've never heard. I'm just not big on Opera, yet...

Except Mozart, I love his operas.

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I like this piece but agree it should be 3/8 or 6/8. The 3/4 of a Chopin Ballade is a major work whereas this is a little prelude, but then again I'm more of a black note composer. This just looks too pale to me.


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I like this piece but agree it should be 3/8 or 6/8. The 3/4 of a Chopin Ballade is a major work whereas this is a little prelude, but then again I'm more of a black note composer. This just looks too pale to me.


What's that to do with time signatures?

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It's not bad, but at measure 9 there is a missed opportunity. The tonality tries to change or modulate to a more interesting center and you refuse to let it happen. I think it's a shame, since the first 8 measures are very promising. At measure 9 I have a strong sense you are taking an easy way out, and the rest of the piece suffers badly for it.

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