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OK, thanks for letting me know.

ALL HANDS ON DECK PLEASE! WE NEED YOU!


Beric, who was to do 5 pieces, and had them ready to be recorded had to have an emergency operation on his right hand yesterday and won't be able to take part in the recital (unless he plays just the left hand parts!!)

We now need homes for FIVE TWO pieces, so any of you looking on from the sidelines who wanted to take part, but found that nothing suitable was left, - here' your chance to be a hero/heroine

The pieces are:

OPUS 43 no 1 - Butterfly (its a beauty) taken by Morodiene
OPUS 54 no 1 - Shepherd's Boy
OPUS 57 no4 - Secret
OPUS 62 no 4 - Brooklet taken by Morodiene
OPUS 68 no 6 - Melancholy Waltz.taken by Carey

We've become a strong supportive community over the last few months - but now its being tested as never before. Lets show how a band of - desparate piano players scattered across the globe, can come together as a team as never before to face the challenge.

(Winston Churchill eat your heart out - 'we shall fight them on the beaches, we shall fight them in their privvies (no, not really - just cracking up!)...... )

Oh... I hope Beric recovers quickly.
And I'm sorry Dipsy, I understand your request, but I can't help this time...
Good luck!

I thought we were doing private youtube. The 3rd party content shouldn't come up then should it? Peter, I could use the refresher "step by step" on uploading if you have one handy. I use youtube so infrequently that I have to relearn each time.

Oh no! Please let Beric know that I'm praying for his speedy recovery!

I was just thinking last night that the more of these Grieg pieces I do, the more I enjoy playing them. I was also thinking that I have worked on 8 lyric pieces (including ones I had played prior to this recital), and that it would be kind of cool to try to play and record them all over a period of a year or something. So I'm happy to help where needed. The only concern is that I'm moving back to FL next weekend, so that will be a few days without any practice. Still, I think I can help out.

These are all tricky pieces, though. I can do Butterfly and Brooklet.

BUTTERFLY AND BROOKLET Going once, going twice, GONE to the lady in Florida!


THANK YOU Morodiene!!!!!


Remaining pieces:
OPUS 54 no 1 - Shepherd's Boy
OPUS 57 no4 - Secret
OPUS 68 no 6 - Melancholy Waltz.

For years I've wanted to learn the Holberg Suite, but never really felt ready for it. If I'm not ready after this, I don't know what it would take!

Hmm, I have a question about pedaling for the French Serenade, op 62 No 3. Does anyone have an edition other than Peters (Dover) for this? That is the only one available on imslp.org as well.

Here's the edition I'm looking at, it's the 3rd piece:

http://petrucci.mus.auth.gr/imglnks...tuecke_Op_62_No_1-3_Peters_8184_scan.pdf

In measure 3, Grieg clearly indicates the LH play a two-note slur and making the 2nd note staccato. However, there is a pedal marking for the entire measure. This is pretty consistent throughout the piece except in instances where the chord changes mid-measure (i.e., m. 4). Still, there is no Pedal up marking to indicate the staccato should be heard. Judging from his other pieces, the pedal markings are pretty specific/precise - as in m.12 of this piece, where he clearly wants a lift before the next idea with no pedal.

I've listened to recordings of this done fairly dry and I don't care for it, but I was wondering if another edition perhaps indicated it should be that way.

Beric, if you're reading this post, you already know I wish you a speedy recovery.

Thanks Morodiene, you're always so generous. I'm sorry, but I can't give you any advice about your pedaling question, as I only use those artifacts by ear. But who knows, maybe I'll be able to offer a good piece of advice on the piano someday

My edition is the Dover...same as yours Morodiene.. sorry.

I have the Dover, some opuses in the Schirmer's Edition and individual pieces in Edition Peters. I think the Peters has Grieg's own wishes. There's no difference between pedal markings in the Schirmer editions.

Where Grieg wants a deliberate lift as in MM13 & 15 he puts one in. In MM4, 6 and 8 I don't think he wants a deliberate lift just a change before the next pedal.

If you compare other pieces you'll find Grieg often has staccato markings with the pedal full on.

Hat's off to you for taking on the extra load!

Schirmer. It was so cheap I'm surprised they included all the notes. But the markings are as yours.

Nokelberg seems to play bar 3 (and similar, LH solo) pedalling twice in the bar leaving only the tiniest breath after the roots, not really staccato. After that, once the melody starts, he plays pedal as written in your copy, giving all the roots an audible light stacatto so he's only using the pedal to join the chord with its following root. He's also playing a lot of the LH chords with a light roll. I really like it but it's not written.

I would definitely do your own thing!

This is what I was thinking, but I had heard a professional recording done where they lifted the pedal. I think he was trying to honor the two-note slur indications over the pedal markings. However, I do believe that pianos back then didn't have as much sustain (although not terribly different from today's piano), so perhaps there would be an audible difference in playing the two-note slurs while pedaling. I may experiment with half-pedaling when I get back to my acoustic piano in 2 weeks to see what works.

Oh, I love this! The rolled chords are within the style of playing at the time of Grieg, and if you listen to recordings of Grieg playing his own stuff you can hear that in it. I just wasn't able to find Grieg playing this particular piece.

I think the way Nokelberg plays this he does get that sense of the two note slurs, but he is pedaling, so I'm thinking perhaps the half/partial-pedaling idea will work. Thanks!

Unlisted, not private. (Private only shows to specific people you've invited. Unlisted shows to anyone who has the URL, but doesn't show up in Youtube searches.)

I'll tackle the Melancholy Waltz.

And if for some reason Morodiene decides she can't do the Butterfly, I can record it as well since I already have it memorized.

Interesting, I hadn't realised it was a style thing. I'd certainly heard Nokelberg doing the roll here and there in other pieces. He's sometimes a bit too brisk but I love the way he plays Grieg.

that's good news carey, I'd offered myself up as understudy so you've saved me a job.



- I was only thinking, it's such a popular piece, there could be a queue forming...

thanks everyone for your kind words. Dad is chomping at the bit and so frustrated to be unable to play - he's fine apart from his right hand. I will pass on what you say to him and I think he'd be very touched by your good wishes.

Morodiene - thank you so much for taking on so many pieces to help us.

Off to check out shepherd's boy and secret to see if I can help...

Maybe keep it in your fingers just in case it's not up to snuff by the time the deadline hits!

I agree I'm not fond of his tempo choices, a bit too fast so you lose some of the nuances of the harmonies and makes it sounds a bit on the frantic side.