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Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas #2133706
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I came across this free online course the other day. I've searched the forums and there are posts in Pianist Corner related to it and a thread in non-classical re the Improvisation course, but none popped up for beginners so I thought I would repeat it here. Performance wise they are beyond me, I'm just about to start Clementi Sonatinas, but I've signed up.

https://www.coursera.org/course/beethovensonatas




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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2133707
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I signed up too, some time ago. Hey, it's free!

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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2133711
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Thank you for the pointer smile


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2133736
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I signed up too weeks ago!


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2133738
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I signed up too! Looking forward to it.


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2133740
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Yup, I signed up a few weeks back too. Should be interesting!


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2133850
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There's also another upcoming Coursera course, coming up in January,

Write Like Mozart: An Introduction to Classical Music Composition

https://www.coursera.org/course/classicalcomp

which I'm looking forward to in addition to the Beethoven course.


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2133873
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How do these work exactly? Are the lectures an audio file that is available online at a certain date? Can you listen to them at any time? Or do you have to tune in at a very specific time for each lecture and if you miss it too bad for you?

I'm just starting work on Beethoven so would really like to take this. I just need to know more about it.


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2133915
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dynamobt, this page of Coursera Help may answer your questions. The answer to "Do I need to watch the lectures live?" is:
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No! All video lectures for your course will be pre-recorded, and you can watch them at your convenience. ​However, our classes tend to be structured with regular deadlines, so you should expect to watch the lectures and do the homeworks on a regular basis.

Your instructor will usually release videos on a weekly basis (for example, all videos for the coming week might be released on the course site each Sunday). Most of our courses have about 2 hours of video lectures per week, broken into 8-15 minute chunks. You can access videos for the current week, and all past weeks, by clicking the "Videos" link the left-hand navigation bar on any of your course pages.


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I'm just starting work on Beethoven so would really like to take this.

I think they're worthwhile for everyone as general music education, whether one is starting to play Beethoven or not.


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2133929
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I didn't see that "help" link at the bottom of the page. Now that I've gone looking, I see answers to lots of questions. Signed up and am ready to go!! Thanks for sharing the link to these courses!


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: carlos88] #2133979
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Originally Posted by carlos88
There's also another upcoming Coursera course, coming up in January,

Write Like Mozart: An Introduction to Classical Music Composition

https://www.coursera.org/course/classicalcomp

which I'm looking forward to in addition to the Beethoven course.


Hmmmm very interesting...now I am wondering do you have to be able to sight read to do this course or not?


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2135183
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It's been years since I took any formal course of education so I felt a bit of trepidation when I hit the join button. I find writing quite difficult, my brain seems to 'freeze', words escape me and I am certainly slower in grasping new concepts. {I think it's age!}. However, if I can't manage it or get on with it I like that I can fade away with no questions asked. I've enrolled on another non-music related course that begins this week.

Edward it's seems a little ambiguous but, based on the statment that having studied an instrument is not a requirement, I think not. smile

Hope to see those who have joined in the course forum.



Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2135287
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Sundew, I believe EdwardianPiano was asking about the Composition course, not the Beethoven Sonatas course. I agree that the Sonatas course probably does not expect you to know how to read music. The Composition course is a different story.

The Composition course expects the student to have had a basic introduction to music theory: to be familiar with keys, intervals, chords, and Roman numeral analysis. The preview video for the course shows notation. The question is perhaps how much this can be worked around, or how much facility EdwardianPiano can gain with these concepts and skills in advance, or is willing to learn on the fly during the course.

EdwardianPiano, since the course is free and there's no obligation, you might like to sign up and give it a try.


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2135425
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Apologies for the mistake , thanks for pointing it out smile

Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2135847
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I received more details about the Beethoven course via email yesterday:
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Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas begins on Tuesday, September 3. You will receive an e-mail that day with a link to the class on Coursera.org, where you will be able to watch the first week's lecture videos (about one hour, total) and participate in forum discussions.

The compositions that you will explore with instructor Jonathan Biss include:
• Sonata No. 4 in E-flat major, Op. 7
• Sonata No. 5 in C minor, Op. 10, No. 1
• Sonata No. 12 in A-flat major, Op. 26
• Sonata No. 13 in E-flat major, Op. 27, No. 1 (“Sonata quasi una fantasia”)
• Sonata No. 14 in C-sharp minor, Op. 27, No. 2 (“Moonlight”)
• Sonata No. 15 in D major, Op. 28 (“Pastoral”)
• Sonata No. 24 in F-sharp major, Op. 78
• Sonata No. 26 in E-flat major, Op. 81a (“Les adieux”)
• Sonata No. 30 in E major, Op. 109
• Fantasy, Op. 77

The course will include assignments on weeks two, four, and five. These are peer-graded, providing you an opportunity to learn even more as you evaluate each other's work.



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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: PianoStudent88] #2137719
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Originally Posted by PianoStudent88

The Composition course expects the student to have had a basic introduction to music theory: to be familiar with keys, intervals, chords, and Roman numeral analysis. The preview video for the course shows notation. The question is perhaps how much this can be worked around, or how much facility EdwardianPiano can gain with these concepts and skills in advance, or is willing to learn on the fly during the course.

EdwardianPiano, since the course is free and there's no obligation, you might like to sign up and give it a try.


Well I know some of the above on a beginner's level- but as it is free and doesn't start til January and I plan to start the pianoforall course in September I hopefully will be at a level to manage it.


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2137722
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Beethoven is not long off! Are you all listening to the sonatas already? I have a Barenboim boxed set of the sonatas. I will be listening to the sonatas a lot to be familiar with them.


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Originally Posted by EdwardianPiano
Beethoven is not long off! Are you all listening to the sonatas already? I have a Barenboim boxed set of the sonatas. I will be listening to the sonatas a lot to be familiar with them.

Barenboim's Beethoven Sonata performances my favorite, he's an exceptional musician and performer. Also, don't miss the Master Classes with Barenboim and Jonathan Bliss. This might give an insight into where the class may be headed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeJoyCn6cGc


Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2137772
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I've started listening to all the sonatas.

I'm beginning with a selection of sonatas recorded on fortepiano by Paul Komen. He hasn't recorded all of them, but I'm hopeful that more will be forthcoming.

I'm waiting for a complete set recorded on piano by Jean-Bernard Pommier to arrive, and then I'll listen to those. I'm interested to hear the differences between fortepiano and piano.

I could see myself becoming an obsessive collector of Beethoven sonata sets.


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2137787
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I just found this too and started listening to the lectures on the Sonatas that will be covered in the course:

http://www.wigmore-hall.org.uk/schiffbeethovenlecturerecitals


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