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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2245884
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Well, well, well. Three minutes into the first lecture and he's already said something wrong.


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Polyphonist] #2245900
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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
Well, well, well. Three minutes into the first lecture and he's already said something wrong.

Do tell -- what was wrong?


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: PianoStudent88] #2245903
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Originally Posted by PianoStudent88
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Well, well, well. Three minutes into the first lecture and he's already said something wrong.

Do tell -- what was wrong?

He said, "Beethoven's only three predecessors who are connected with him in any meaningful way are Bach, Haydn, and Mozart."


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2245905
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Clementi was just as important to Beethoven.

Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2245907
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The glaring omission, however, is Handel.


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2245908
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He's just made another mistake. He said the Well-Tempered Clavier, French Suites, and English Suites were published as Ubungen. And then to reinforce the error, he offers it as a quiz question at the end.


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2245913
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I can't believe he's just said that only Beethoven's piano sonatas, quartets and symphonies are important work.


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2245921
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He keeps stating that Haydn was the next significant composer after Bach. Many would disagree. What about Gluck? CPE Bach?


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2245927
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I hope that you'll be able to perservere at least until the first lecture that analyses a sonata. I can't wait to hear you rip the analysis apart too.


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2245928
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Pointing out a few errors is hardly ripping it apart, in my opinion.


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2245989
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So now I don't know which point of view to believe. confused


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Polyphonist] #2245995
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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
Pointing out a few errors is hardly ripping it apart, in my opinion.

I didn't mean my comment particularly critically. Rather light-heartedly in fact. I can see how my tone doesn't come across in my post.

I will be interested to hear what you think of Biss' sonata analyses.


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2246026
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Well, those six seem to be all for this week.

He did make some pretty significant oversights when explaining about sonata form, but nothing too bad.


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Care to elaborate on the oversights? Perhaps list them, or some of them?


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2246052
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For example, he talked for ages about the tonic-dominant relationship but gave the minor tonic-mediant relationship only a passing mention.


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2246456
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Somewhat related to this thread ... I think

I found the 2nd movement of Moonlight Sonata to be very engaging and so ... have decided to continue with Beethoven and attempt to learn the Scherzo section of the 5th symphony. In looking at the Beethoven playlist from the recital index, it appears not covered.

The transcription for piano solo is by Liszt, and so looks pretty official. I realize however, this was not --initially at least-- intended for piano solo.

Does anyone have experience or expertise with this movement for piano? Suggestions, advice, what sections to begin with (this has been a big help with other projects.) Or, perhaps ... stay away?

I love expressive music, and I would rate this one quite high on the expressive list.

thx




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Oh come now. You can't play the scherzo without the finale. laugh


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2246522
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The scherzo is somewhat of a recap of the 1st., yes?
Maybe the 2nd as well? I'm guessing ...

If so, seems to me like the perfect section to summarize the piece down to a mere 8 pages of Allegro ...

The first few bars of any work will often indicate whether I am remotely interested. I wasn't (am not) interested in taking on the 3rd movement of the Moonlight (even though there are sections I am very curious about.) Just too big a project for a non-reader ...

This one though, seems doable with time ... a lot of time perhaps ... but doable nonetheless.

Still trying to get my head around the Scherzo and if worth the effort. I think it will be ... even without the finale.

Plus, ask my wife about my unfinished projects; There have been a few and she is very efficient at keeping track ... smile


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You can't just play a bunch of dominant seventh tremolos and cut it off right before the glorious tune. grin


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2246654
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Well I know that. Where does it end then?

end then?

Surely I don't need to play the entire 4th to close the 3rd. That would break the deal for sure.

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