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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2137803
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I'm listening to Barenboim too!


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2137878
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I've started a new thread for the Coursera course Write Like Mozart: An Introduction to Classical Music Composition.


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Valencia] #2137884
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Originally Posted by Valencia
I just found this too and started listening to the lectures on the Sonatas that will be covered in the course:

http://www.wigmore-hall.org.uk/schiffbeethovenlecturerecitals



Oh thanks for that! I work funny shifts and at the mo never know from one day to the next when or where I'll be working or going ( or not...) so when I can make a start listening to these at the weekend.


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: sinophilia] #2137887
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Originally Posted by sinophilia
I'm listening to Barenboim too!


I have a boxed set my friend gave me as a gift- the complete sonatas- haven't even heard them all yet! The Master wrote a LOT of sonatas.


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2137957
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Just signed up for this course as well and I am so excited! I took a music appreciation course in college and it really is what made me get back into classical music and I'm hoping this class has a similar effect. Thank you so much for bringing this to my attention!

Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2137974
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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Valencia] #2138391
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Originally Posted by Valencia
I just found this too and started listening to the lectures on the Sonatas that will be covered in the course:

http://www.wigmore-hall.org.uk/schiffbeethovenlecturerecitals


Valencia, thank you for posting this link. These Andras Schiff lectures are an absolutely amazing resource and a great addition for those taking the Curtis Institute course. I encourage everyone to give these a listen. If you only listen to one, try No.12 Op.26 in Ab (No.14 in Schiff's numbering) as Schiff offers incredible insight that really shed new light on this Sonata for me. It will be very interesting to compare Jonathan Biss's interpretation.

Much appreciated,

Greg

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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: synergy543] #2138395
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EdwardianPiano and Greg, glad the link is helpful. smile

I'm a little confused about the numbering on that site. For example it lists the Moonlight Sonata as 16, whereas in this book I have it's listed as 14.

When you say listen to 12, do you mean the one in G major, Op.14 no.2?

Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Valencia] #2138407
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Originally Posted by Valencia
EdwardianPiano and Greg, glad the link is helpful. smile

I'm a little confused about the numbering on that site. For example it lists the Moonlight Sonata as 16, whereas in this book I have it's listed as 14.

When you say listen to 12, do you mean the one in G major, Op.14 no.2?

Yes, I noticed that numbering conflict but didn't pay much attention. If anyone knows why the numbers are different maybe they could explain.

I went by the Opus number and should have mentioned that. I was referring to Schiff's No.14 (hmm? go figure....which in the Jonathan Biss course is No.12...hmm) - Op.26 in Ab ("The Funeral March") with its unconventional variation form. Schiff's comments and analysis (despite his somewhat subdued nature) are extremely interesting (at least to me). The best 30 minutes I've spent in a while.

I think Jonathan Biss's numbers are correct and Schiff's numbering is based on the recordings and not the Sonatas as he's broken up some of the lectures. That's the best I can figure. Here is the numbering system from IMSLP (which is the same as Jonathan Biss's and others I've seen).


Also, the chronological order is by Sonata number rather than by Opus (according to Schiff).

Oh, here are the [color=blue]Schiff Lectures listed by Sonata[/color]

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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: synergy543] #2138732
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Thanks for this! I will listen to the Op. 26 lecture today. I have a book of the first half of the sonatas, and I notice that it doesn't have Op. 49 1 and 2 in it. In Schiff's list, Op. 49 1 and 2 are numbered sonata 9 and 10 respectively. On the "accessible Beethoven Sonata mvts' thread, Sam S mentioned that there were Beethoven's earliest sonatas and he didn't want them published and used them to teach his students. So perhaps that is why they are not on other people's lists of the Sonatas?


Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Valencia] #2138921
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Originally Posted by Valencia
Thanks for this! I will listen to the Op. 26 lecture today. I have a book of the first half of the sonatas, and I notice that it doesn't have Op. 49 1 and 2 in it. In Schiff's list, Op. 49 1 and 2 are numbered sonata 9 and 10 respectively. On the "accessible Beethoven Sonata mvts' thread, Sam S mentioned that there were Beethoven's earliest sonatas and he didn't want them published and used them to teach his students. So perhaps that is why they are not on other people's lists of the Sonatas?



There's some confusion about the chronological order of the opus 49 sonatas - I think that's the problem. According to the opus number, they don't seem to "fit" with the other sonatas, since they are "easy". They were probably composed much earlier than is indicated by the opus number.

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Schiff addresses the 32 Beethoven sonatas in order of composition rather than in order of publication. His lecture numbers coincide with the standard numbering of the sonatas up to Sonata Number 8 (Opus 13 'Pathetique'). He then covers the Opus 49 Sonatas which have traditional numbers of No. 19 and No. 20 because he states that they were composed after Opus 13 but before Opus 14. After covering the two Opus 49 works, he continues with Sonata Number 9 (Opus 14 No. 1) so the lecture numbers no longer coincide with the traditional sonata numbers.

He also devotes two lectures to Sonata Number 29 (Opus 106 'Hammerklavier") so the total number of lectures is 33 rather than 32.

Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2139631
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Love all the info and signed up for Beethoven and for Mozart. It's going to be great. How will we recognize each other there? I didn't see a place to call myself other than my registered name. Perhaps that come later.
Also - there is mention of several different threads about this topic. I've put a 'watch this topic' for this one.

Barenboim is one of my favorites!

Numbering and opus references are often confusing, not just with Beethoven's sonatas. I rely on the opus to be sure .


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Palmpirate] #2144004
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Course went live this week. 31,000 students!?!

Listened to the first "lecture". One interesting tidbit - only one of Beethoven's piano sonatas was actually performed in his lifetime - I think he said op 110 but I may be wrong. It wasn't until Liszt that pianists gave recitals I guess.

He mentioned that Bach was a big influence on Beethoven, but what Bach music did Beethoven actually know or listen to? I thought that most of Bach's music had to wait until Mendelssohn came along to be re-discovered. I seem to recall that Beethoven was exposed to the WTC from his teacher Neefe.

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Yes, Neefe, Court organist at Bonn, trained him from 1781 chiefly using the WTC. Also taught him organ, and composition. Bach's work was well known but not publically performed.





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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sam S] #2144150
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The best lecture I've sat through in a long time. I have to give Haydn more respect. I never knew the constraint he was under for his compositions. This is a tremendous public service by Jonathan Biss by offering his time for this free course.


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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: 4evrBeginR] #2144170
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Originally Posted by 4evrBeginR
This is a tremendous public service by Jonathan Biss by offering his time for this free course.


Well, even if Coursera isn't paying him (are we sure about that?), he is potentially getting a lot out of this course. He's in the process of recording all the sonatas - how many people will buy his recordings after listening to his lectures? I probably will. So yes, it's great that he is doing it, but I don't think it's totally without compensation.

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Re: Coursera Exploring Beethoven's Piano Sonatas [Re: Sundew] #2147138
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I went to the site and found the course, but saw this:

Sessions: Sep 3rd 2013 (5 weeks long)

So if you haven't signed up yet, does that mean you have already missed part of the course, or can you go through the whole course at any time?


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If the registration is still open, the video for the first week lecture is still online. So, I would just trying signing up.


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The videos stay up for the duration of the course.


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