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#2131589 - 08/12/13 08:27 AM Best Digital Piano for less than £1000  
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Hey,
As above, I've got an urge to play the piano again (I haven't really played it for around 4 years now, since leaving school and going to uni). I'm currently on a year work placement, and I wouldn't mind playing a little in the evenings.

Based on this I think a digital piano would probably be best, since I'll only be living here till next July, when I'll be going home for a couple of months, before back to uni for my final year. Also it will be in my room, which is on the first floor, and I'm not sure if a piano would even fit up the stairs/through my door, and the adjustable volume would be good for playing in the evenings.

So I thought I'd post here asking for some advice from people who know a lot more than I do :P

a) Based on the information above, do you think a digital piano is the right choice?
b) Any recommendations? laugh

My budget is pretty low, I haven't really thought about it, but I can't see myself paying anything more than £1000, and even then probably less. I'm not bothered about different sounds and effects, just want it to feel as close to a real piano as possible really (the ability to plug in headphones would be good, although most probably have that feature)

Any help would be greatly appreciated, and of course feel free to ask for more information if it's needed smile

Edit:
Realised it sounds like I haven't done any looking etc.
I've looked a little, and it seems the Yamaha models come highly recommended, although sadly I don't think I'll be able to afford the CLP, so would be looking at a YDP/P piano.

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#2131594 - 08/12/13 08:40 AM Re: I think I might want a digital piano.... [Re: GeorgeStorm]  
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Originally Posted by GeorgeStorm
My budget is pretty low, I haven't really thought about it, but I can't see myself paying anything more than £1000, and even then probably less. I'm not bothered about different sounds and effects, just want it to feel as close to a real piano as possible really

In a low price range, I think most people agree that the best feeling piano at the moment would be Casio. Just for piano, the PX-150 will do, though the PX-350 has better sounding speakers (for those times you're not using headphones), and a line input in case you want to feed in a better quality piano sound you could trigger from your computer. (You could trigger the computer piano sound from the 150 as well, but would be limited to headphones or would need additional speakers to be connected.)

#2131597 - 08/12/13 08:43 AM Re: I think I might want a digital piano.... [Re: GeorgeStorm]  
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Can't go wrong with a Yamaha P155.

#2131609 - 08/12/13 08:57 AM Re: I think I might want a digital piano.... [Re: gvfarns]  
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Originally Posted by gvfarns
Can't go wrong with a Yamaha P155.


Maybe so, however it slightly exceeds George's maximum budget (the P155 is much cheaper in the US, remember).

In this price bracket, a Casio PX-150 or Yamaha P105 are the best choices.

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#2131618 - 08/12/13 09:10 AM Re: I think I might want a digital piano.... [Re: Kawai James]  
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Originally Posted by anotherscott
Originally Posted by GeorgeStorm
My budget is pretty low, I haven't really thought about it, but I can't see myself paying anything more than £1000, and even then probably less. I'm not bothered about different sounds and effects, just want it to feel as close to a real piano as possible really

In a low price range, I think most people agree that the best feeling piano at the moment would be Casio. Just for piano, the PX-150 will do, though the PX-350 has better sounding speakers (for those times you're not using headphones), and a line input in case you want to feed in a better quality piano sound you could trigger from your computer. (You could trigger the computer piano sound from the 150 as well, but would be limited to headphones or would need additional speakers to be connected.)


I hadn't really looked into Casio very much, thanks for the suggestion smile

Originally Posted by gvfarns
Can't go wrong with a Yamaha P155.


Seems a little pricey in the UK (sadly 1000$ seems to equal £1100 :P)

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Originally Posted by gvfarns
Can't go wrong with a Yamaha P155.


Maybe so, however it slightly exceeds George's maximum budget (the P155 is much cheaper in the US, remember).

In this price bracket, a Casio PX-150 or Yamaha P105 are the best choices.

James
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I'll have more of a look into them both.

So you would recommend a P model over a YDP for Yamaha?


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#2131622 - 08/12/13 09:16 AM Re: I think I might want a digital piano.... [Re: GeorgeStorm]  
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Originally Posted by GeorgeStorm
So you would recommend a P model over a YDP for Yamaha?


Yes, the portability will come in handy when going to and from your parents place and uni.

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#2131623 - 08/12/13 09:21 AM Re: I think I might want a digital piano.... [Re: Kawai James]  
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by GeorgeStorm
So you would recommend a P model over a YDP for Yamaha?


Yes, the portability will come in handy when going to and from your parents place and uni.

Cheers,
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I assume the difference in quality/feel between them and the more 'solid' models with stand isn't big enough within a similar price range to warrant the extra faff every time it needs to be moved? (I've been told that some, possibly all, of the models with stands can separate for easier transportation, just a couple of screws needed?)

Are there any particular stands you'd recommend then? From a quick google, it seems quite a few places sell both the Casio and the Yamaha with a stand, stool, headphones etc. I assume that stand won't be very good and it may be worth getting something better?

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#2131633 - 08/12/13 09:47 AM Re: I think I might want a digital piano.... [Re: GeorgeStorm]  
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When you buy a stand for it, don't buy an 'X' style one - in my opinion they bounce too much when you play.
Get something like the Quik Lok WS-550 with four solid legs - it will feel as stable as a 'furniture style' digital piano then.

#2131656 - 08/12/13 10:18 AM Re: I think I might want a digital piano.... [Re: TrumpetMan]  
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Originally Posted by TrumpetMan
When you buy a stand for it, don't buy an 'X' style one - in my opinion they bounce too much when you play.
Get something like the Quik Lok WS-550 with four solid legs - it will feel as stable as a 'furniture style' digital piano then.


I had heard they weren't good, especially with heavier keyboards/digital pianos.
Looks like quite a cool stand, although will add another £100 which I'll have to bear in mind (once again it seems like there's a 1:1 $:£ exchange rate frown )


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#2131701 - 08/12/13 11:21 AM Re: I think I might want a digital piano.... [Re: GeorgeStorm]  
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Get round your nearest dealer(s) and try lots of stuff. All price ranges; don`t be put off by cheap or dear stuff and don`t bang yer head off the guitars hanging up around the walls. If they`re acoustic, it sounds. If they`re electric, it hurts. Get the showroom geezer to put some reverb on to give the piano a lift.

And then let your fingers and wallet decide!

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#2131702 - 08/12/13 11:23 AM Re: I think I might want a digital piano.... [Re: peterws]  
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Originally Posted by peterws
Get round your nearest dealer(s) and try lots of stuff. All price ranges; don`t be put off by cheap or dear stuff and don`t bang yer head off the guitars hanging up around the walls. If they`re acoustic, it sounds. If they`re electric, it hurts. Get the showroom geezer to put some reverb on to give the piano a lift.

And then let your fingers and wallet decide!

Happy fishing . . .


I am aiming to do that, I'm just not sure when I'll get a chance to, I don't know of any shops in my local area, and being without a car means finding them will be a hassle, and I'm busy for the next two weekends, so I won't be able to try anything for at least 3 weeks frown

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#2131722 - 08/12/13 11:58 AM Re: I think I might want a digital piano.... [Re: GeorgeStorm]  
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Take a day trip to London - there're several DP stores with Yamaha, Kawai, Roland and Casio (and Kurzweil and Korg etc) within a one-mile radius of the main Oxford Street area. Preferably on a weekday (weekends buzz too much at this time of the year), and bring your own headphones: that's the only way you can compare the inherent sounds of the respective DPs. Cheaper DPs have inadequate amplification and speakers, but when heard through headphones, their sound may well be as good as, or better than, much more expensive ones.


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#2131838 - 08/12/13 02:39 PM Re: I think I might want a digital piano.... [Re: bennevis]  
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Just a suggestion

http://www.thomann.de/gb/korg_sp_250_bk_case_bundle.htm

I know it has Korgs top action, same as the Kronos but I am not sure how that compared to other brands.

I don't know much to be fair I haven't even got my piano yet but this may suit your need nicely

#2131879 - 08/12/13 04:01 PM Re: I think I might want a digital piano.... [Re: kilf]  
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Originally Posted by bennevis
Take a day trip to London - there're several DP stores with Yamaha, Kawai, Roland and Casio (and Kurzweil and Korg etc) within a one-mile radius of the main Oxford Street area. Preferably on a weekday (weekends buzz too much at this time of the year), and bring your own headphones: that's the only way you can compare the inherent sounds of the respective DPs. Cheaper DPs have inadequate amplification and speakers, but when heard through headphones, their sound may well be as good as, or better than, much more expensive ones.

Hmm, not really possible on a weekday since I'm working 9-5.
Might see if I can work something out though.

Originally Posted by kilf
Just a suggestion

http://www.thomann.de/gb/korg_sp_250_bk_case_bundle.htm

I know it has Korgs top action, same as the Kronos but I am not sure how that compared to other brands.

I don't know much to be fair I haven't even got my piano yet but this may suit your need nicely

Bit more than the other suggestions, but I'll look into it smile

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#2131915 - 08/12/13 04:53 PM Re: I think I might want a digital piano.... [Re: GeorgeStorm]  
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YAMAHA P155 FTW!

An extra £100 is worth it..

You're too busy to go looking for pianos!!?? Want us to do all the leg-work?? :P

#2131960 - 08/12/13 06:19 PM Re: I think I might want a digital piano.... [Re: starbug]  
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Originally Posted by starbug
YAMAHA P155 FTW!

An extra £100 is worth it..

You're too busy to go looking for pianos!!?? Want us to do all the leg-work?? :P


Is it worth double the other suggestions?
Haha no, but I thought you guys would know some good options, so I could narrow it down at least.


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#2131963 - 08/12/13 06:22 PM Re: I think I might want a digital piano.... [Re: GeorgeStorm]  
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Only yesterday I bought a Yamaha YPP200 second hand.I live in Yate and I found the advertisment in Tesco.
It is fine for playing at all hours with head phones.
Also one can connect to an aplifier and larger speakers.
Also/and later buy a CD for PianoTec and make it sound like any sort of piano you wish.
I still have a large upright but find the convenience of the DP amazing.
Took me about an hour to get into the "knack" of the keyboard.
Took me 15mins to screw together the three pieces of venered MDF which make up the stand.
I've no idea how old it is but "By golywoly " it is well worth the £200 which I paid for it.

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I'd seriously look at the Casios that anotherscott mentioned. I think that's what I'd go for in your place - well built but not too bulky. Very good value for money - specifications punching way above their weight (though specs are not the main thing - touch and main piano sound are, for most serious buyers).

Or I'd get the Yamaha YDP 162. This is a very nice piano for around £850 - very well built with good basic specifications, fine keyboard and good sound engine. Not really portable though - it's a console type.

YDP 162 is a better deal in Europe/UK than the Yamaha P155 which is under 1000 dollars in the states, I believe. Only thing is, P155 is more portable.


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Originally Posted by GeorgeStorm
I had heard they weren't good, especially with heavier keyboards/digital pianos.
Looks like quite a cool stand, although will add another £100 which I'll have to bear in mind (once again it seems like there's a 1:1 $:£ exchange rate frown )


Actually, in my experience they are more stable when used with heavier instruments, but I wouldn't recommend them if you like to use more than one pedal. Not a lot of legroom.



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Originally Posted by LesCharles73
Originally Posted by GeorgeStorm
I had heard they weren't good, especially with heavier keyboards/digital pianos.
Looks like quite a cool stand, although will add another £100 which I'll have to bear in mind (once again it seems like there's a 1:1 $:£ exchange rate frown )
Actually, in my experience they are more stable when used with heavier instruments, but I wouldn't recommend them if you like to use more than one pedal. Not a lot of legroom.

I don't think you can get more legroom than the QuikLok WS-550 with four legs! I have 2 of them, sturdy and simple.

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If you want an inexpensive good stand. There is a folding 120cm plastic table with adjustable height legs at WallyWorld. It's only something like 30 bucks? It works great. One of the settings on the legs is perfect for me. I"m 5'9" tall.

EDIT: Besides, you can take your DP off of it and use it for eating, poker, whatever. It's portable, folds up real good.

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#2132101 - 08/13/13 03:16 AM Re: I think I might want a digital piano.... [Re: GeorgeStorm]  
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#2132110 - 08/13/13 04:19 AM Re: I think I might want a digital piano.... [Re: jarosujo]  
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Originally Posted by jarosujo
Kawai CL-36. IMHO best DP under 1000 €. 900 € normal price, I paid 800 for display model (700£).


Yes, that's a pretty good deal.

The CL36 doesn't get a great deal of coverage on this forum, probably because it is not available in the US.

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Originally Posted by Goof
Only yesterday I bought a Yamaha YPP200 second hand.I live in Yate and I found the advertisment in Tesco.
It is fine for playing at all hours with head phones.
Also one can connect to an aplifier and larger speakers.
Also/and later buy a CD for PianoTec and make it sound like any sort of piano you wish.
I still have a large upright but find the convenience of the DP amazing.
Took me about an hour to get into the "knack" of the keyboard.
Took me 15mins to screw together the three pieces of venered MDF which make up the stand.
I've no idea how old it is but "By golywoly " it is well worth the £200 which I paid for it.

Yeah I'm going to try and see if I can find some stuff 2nd hand.

Originally Posted by toddy
I'd seriously look at the Casios that anotherscott mentioned. I think that's what I'd go for in your place - well built but not too bulky. Very good value for money - specifications punching way above their weight (though specs are not the main thing - touch and main piano sound are, for most serious buyers).

Or I'd get the Yamaha YDP 162. This is a very nice piano for around £850 - very well built with good basic specifications, fine keyboard and good sound engine. Not really portable though - it's a console type.

YDP 162 is a better deal in Europe/UK than the Yamaha P155 which is under 1000 dollars in the states, I believe. Only thing is, P155 is more portable.

Ok I'll look into the Casios, would you say the more expensive suggestions were worth the extra? I'm not sure what kind of playing I'll be doing, got to an OK standard, but am probably quite a bit worse now. I'll probably look back through some of my grade books to start with, then look at some Mozart sonatas (since I have them all I think), aiming for a Chopin Etude.

Originally Posted by LesCharles73
Originally Posted by GeorgeStorm
I had heard they weren't good, especially with heavier keyboards/digital pianos.
Looks like quite a cool stand, although will add another £100 which I'll have to bear in mind (once again it seems like there's a 1:1 $:£ exchange rate frown )


Actually, in my experience they are more stable when used with heavier instruments, but I wouldn't recommend them if you like to use more than one pedal. Not a lot of legroom.


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Originally Posted by LesCharles73
Originally Posted by GeorgeStorm
I had heard they weren't good, especially with heavier keyboards/digital pianos.
Looks like quite a cool stand, although will add another £100 which I'll have to bear in mind (once again it seems like there's a 1:1 $:£ exchange rate frown )
Actually, in my experience they are more stable when used with heavier instruments, but I wouldn't recommend them if you like to use more than one pedal. Not a lot of legroom.

I don't think you can get more legroom than the QuikLok WS-550 with four legs! I have 2 of them, sturdy and simple.


I like the idea of the one with four legs, folds up into a nice small size, and looks pretty sturdy, I'll have a look at different models etc.

Originally Posted by rnaple
If you want an inexpensive good stand. There is a folding 120cm plastic table with adjustable height legs at WallyWorld. It's only something like 30 bucks? It works great. One of the settings on the legs is perfect for me. I"m 5'9" tall.

EDIT: Besides, you can take your DP off of it and use it for eating, poker, whatever. It's portable, folds up real good.

I'm in the UK so can't get that sadly, but I might have a look to see if anywhere here has a similar thing.

Originally Posted by jarosujo
Kawai CL-36. IMHO best DP under 1000 €. 900 € normal price, I paid 800 for display model (700£).

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Originally Posted by jarosujo
Kawai CL-36. IMHO best DP under 1000 €. 900 € normal price, I paid 800 for display model (700£).


Yes, that's a pretty good deal.

The CL36 doesn't get a great deal of coverage on this forum, probably because it is not available in the US.

James
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Ok, I'll look into it, would you say it's worth the 50% price increase over the original Yamaha/Casio recommendations?

I know I said my budget is £1000, but spending less would be nice, and would make more likely to actually go ahead with this rather than being another nice idea I never end up committing to... :P


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Been having a quick think, and if I go for one which comes with a free stand, stool, headphones etc, I'll probably just use the one it comes with to begin with, see how it feels. Can always get a nicer stand later smile

Do the headphone jacks tend to be the smaller or bigger ones? (3.5/6.5mm?) Also can they tend to power headphones with relatively high impedance or would I need to use low impedance models?

Had a quick look and it seems like they're designed for low impedance headphones, but I wondered if anyone has any experience using higher impedance headphones, and wanted to hear how they performed smile


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There is a Yamaha P155 for £599 in Manchester, bloke lives half a mile away.

That might be decent for you.

He's reluctant to post it but I could post it for you, dude has been fishing for months.

It was initially priced at £950. I offered him £600 he said it was insulting, he phoned me up and asked me if I would pay £600 for it I said no. I offered him £300. He said I was insulting him.

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Originally Posted by justpin
There is a Yamaha P155 for £599 in Manchester, bloke lives half a mile away.

That might be decent for you.

He's reluctant to post it but I could post it for you, dude has been fishing for months.

It was initially priced at £950. I offered him £600 he said it was insulting, he phoned me up and asked me if I would pay £600 for it I said no. I offered him £300. He said I was insulting him.

smile


Ooh, that sounds like it could be good indeed, age, any warranty etc? (do digital pianos even come with warranty? :P)
I'm very interested smile


Trying to get back into playing by learning some Chopin!
#2132764 - 08/14/13 11:37 AM Re: I think I might want a digital piano.... [Re: GeorgeStorm]  
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I was in a situation similar to the OP when I bought my Yamaha P85. I'm ok with the GHS action, but I wonder what the Casio PX-150's is like . . . can anyone provide some feedback? If the Casio's is better, then I recommend it to the OP.


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#2132776 - 08/14/13 12:02 PM Re: I think I might want a digital piano.... [Re: GeorgeStorm]  
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Originally Posted by GeorgeStorm
Do the headphone jacks tend to be the smaller or bigger ones? (3.5/6.5mm?) Also can they tend to power headphones with relatively high impedance or would I need to use low impedance models?

Had a quick look and it seems like they're designed for low impedance headphones, but I wondered if anyone has any experience using higher impedance headphones, and wanted to hear how they performed smile

I believe the headphone jacks on all DPs are 6.5mm ones, but you can always use an adaptor costing £1 if you need to. But you'll definitely need low impedance headphones - many DPs only give the same output as MP3 players. I've had experience of using Yamaha own-brand headphones in a store with the most expensive Yamaha DP, which, at maximum volume, barely provided enough sound to be heard above the ambient noise.


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#2133069 - 08/14/13 10:23 PM Re: I think I might want a digital piano.... [Re: bennevis]  
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Quote
I was in a situation similar to the OP when I bought my Yamaha P85. I'm ok with the GHS action, but I wonder what the Casio PX-150's is like . . . can anyone provide some feedback? If the Casio's is better, then I recommend it to the OP.


_My opinion_ is that the Casio PX-x50 action is better than the Yamaha GHS action (P105, and previous models).

But that's not a _universal_ opinion, or even an overwhelmingly-popular one. Different people, different tastes.

. Charles

PS -- bias -- I bought a PX-350.


. Charles
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