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#2123937 - 07/27/13 06:34 PM Steinway Grand Hammer Set (All 88) How much?  
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Hi all! Well I was down in my great grandfathers piano shop today and I found a used set of Steinway Grand Hammers. I filed them today to get the string grooves out (virtually none) and put some hammer solidifier on all of them to get them all to a uniform tone. Only question is, how much should I sell them for? What's a fair price for any of you, besides free d:, realistic prices. Thanks!


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#2123952 - 07/27/13 07:19 PM Re: Steinway Grand Hammer Set (All 88) How much? [Re: benny428]  
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Um, why would anyone want used hammers? Labor cost for installation is the same as new.


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#2123985 - 07/27/13 08:56 PM Re: Steinway Grand Hammer Set (All 88) How much? [Re: benny428]  
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Someone called me the other day wanting to buy used piano strings to save $$$ I've never been asked for used strings before.


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#2124039 - 07/27/13 11:19 PM Re: Steinway Grand Hammer Set (All 88) How much? [Re: benny428]  
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Originally Posted by benny428
Hi all! Well I was down in my great grandfathers piano shop today and I found a used set of Steinway Grand Hammers. I filed them today to get the string grooves out (virtually none) and put some hammer solidifier on all of them to get them all to a uniform tone. Only question is, how much should I sell them for? What's a fair price for any of you, besides free d:, realistic prices. Thanks!

Hmmm. I've been trying to remember just how many sets of used Steinway grand piano hammers I've tossed out over the years. Certainly hundreds of them. And now I find out I should have filed them, soaked them with lacquer and sold them?

Seriously, they have no value unless you can find someone to buy them who doesn't know any better.

Seriously, is this a serious question?

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#2124108 - 07/28/13 06:48 AM Re: Steinway Grand Hammer Set (All 88) How much? [Re: benny428]  
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May be they could interest a collector ?

As mounting old tires on a car


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#2124116 - 07/28/13 07:21 AM Re: Steinway Grand Hammer Set (All 88) How much? [Re: benny428]  
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How do you know they were not of a uniform tone? You've only made they harder and brighter. I have salvaged hammer sets to replace worn sets for someone with limited income but generally these old sets are already bright, you may have put them over the edge. Never add a solution to a hammer without listening to the tone it produces.


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#2124165 - 07/28/13 09:01 AM Re: Steinway Grand Hammer Set (All 88) How much? [Re: benny428]  
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In a less than ideal world, something to remember about old parts 'n things in general - as unrealistic and unimaginable as it may seem to us - for someone, somewhere, it's an upgrade or improvement. The hammers in question have no value to us whatsoever. To someone in a poor area or country, such could be "worth their weight in gold." Pianos of all kinds are found in the most unlikely places.


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#2124177 - 07/28/13 09:22 AM Re: Steinway Grand Hammer Set (All 88) How much? [Re: benny428]  
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sure , I do not put re-usable parts to trash for that reason, but selling them ? someone yet have paid for them.

hardening old hammers is also probably ruining them, as said Mr Page.


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#2124195 - 07/28/13 10:15 AM Re: Steinway Grand Hammer Set (All 88) How much? [Re: benny428]  
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Originally Posted by benny428
Hi all! Well I was down in my great grandfathers piano shop today and I found a used set of Steinway Grand Hammers. I filed them today to get the string grooves out (virtually none) and put some hammer solidifier on all of them to get them all to a uniform tone. Only question is, how much should I sell them for? What's a fair price for any of you, besides free d:, realistic prices. Thanks!


Who the heck would buy used hammers? If they weren't good enough to stay on the piano they came off of, why would they be good enough to go on another? $0.00

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There was someone here who posted in the past year about buying a set of used Steinway hammers and adapting them for another piano.


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#2124373 - 07/28/13 05:40 PM Re: Steinway Grand Hammer Set (All 88) How much? [Re: benny428]  
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Well they were good enough to come off otherwise grandpa wouldn't have saved them. I'm sure the laquer didn't do anything. It was such a small amount, and I only put a little from 28 to 54 seeing as that's the most commonly played section.


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#2124406 - 07/28/13 06:50 PM Re: Steinway Grand Hammer Set (All 88) How much? [Re: benny428]  
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When the hammers in question are properly installed and completely regulated, and the piano is fine tuned, you'll know how these sound and how to proceed with voicing - if, indeed, the hammers are capable of being voiced. Often old hammers are spent**. Until then, it's sheer speculation.


**This can be determined without going through the trouble of installing.

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#2124427 - 07/28/13 07:18 PM Re: Steinway Grand Hammer Set (All 88) How much? [Re: benny428]  
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I must admit that I was intrigued by the idea of laquering hammers before there was any way to determine if the treatment was needed.


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#2124462 - 07/28/13 08:54 PM Re: Steinway Grand Hammer Set (All 88) How much? [Re: David Jenson]  
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I also suspect verdigris in the bushings from an action of this vintage.


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#2124568 - 07/29/13 12:53 AM Re: Steinway Grand Hammer Set (All 88) How much? [Re: David Jenson]  
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Originally Posted by David Jenson
I must admit that I was intrigued by the idea of laquering hammers before there was any way to determine if the treatment was needed.


Same here. How does the OP know their tone is now "uniform?" Or, better yet, how did he know it wasn't prior to lacquering?



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#2124712 - 07/29/13 08:49 AM Re: Steinway Grand Hammer Set (All 88) How much? [Re: beethoven986]  
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Who the heck would buy used hammers? If they weren't good enough to stay on the piano they came off of, why would they be good enough to go on another? $0.00


In New York, this fella does quite well selling used hammers and other parts:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/av2you/m.ht...203&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562


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#2124729 - 07/29/13 09:45 AM Re: Steinway Grand Hammer Set (All 88) How much? [Re: benny428]  
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Hmmm. One of my personal horror-stories was a Steinway M from the 50's...which an unscrupulous 'rebuilder' in the early 80's 'rebuilt' by replacing the hammers with ...I am not kidding.... a used set of Teflon-era hammers and shanks that were 'like new'. The middle and top were full of that tiny little 'click' and 'tink' of the Teflon bushings rattling in the shanks. Brilliant, not.

This lovely piano 50's instrument had a set of 'Perma-Click' hammers put into it! I'm guessing that the rebuilder looked at that set of slightly used hammers and went 'What the Heck?' and saved himself a thousand bucks and reached into the discard bin to use those things. Of course....when I saw it shortly after it returned to the owner I had to explain that the job had been done incorrectly, and the owner had to argue with the 'rebuilder' over the changed hammer set. Since the bill specified 'new hammers/shanks/flanges' it was a no-brainer...and did not have to go to court.

I don't know how old 'Great Grandpa's' hammers are...but I'd look at those flanges and see if he just couldn't get himself to throw out a set of lovely looking hammers, because they were TEFLON-era and maybe he thought he might rebush the dang things...someday...which never came. Are the bushings plastic/teflon? Or standard red-bushing cloth? Might be why a good looking set of hammers were on the shelf, gents.

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#2124815 - 07/29/13 12:09 PM Re: Steinway Grand Hammer Set (All 88) How much? [Re: benny428]  
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Hey I so often have heard that it was said to the tech that the old felts where so much better than the new ones... that they need to be kept. Very convenient to avoid any hammer repair, while I admit it may be true in regard of damper felt , and even exceptionally with some very old hammer felts (80 years or so)

Anyway it is a nonsense to try to use old hammers, unless it is a desesperate situation, but then it is out of question to pay for them, pay for the job eventually I can imagine some cases.

"I install Steinway hammers on your Shimmel, your Petrof, whatever" I have met the result sometime. With some imagination the customer believe that his piano sound better, but you an I know what it is about.


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#2124947 - 07/29/13 05:09 PM Re: Steinway Grand Hammer Set (All 88) How much? [Re: OperaTenor]  
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Originally Posted by OperaTenor
Originally Posted by David Jenson
I must admit that I was intrigued by the idea of laquering hammers before there was any way to determine if the treatment was needed.


Same here. How does the OP know their tone is now "uniform?" Or, better yet, how did he know it wasn't prior to lacquering?

We may be faced here with a level of "rebuilder's intuition" that I have not yet attained. wink


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#2125030 - 07/29/13 09:14 PM Re: Steinway Grand Hammer Set (All 88) How much? [Re: David Jenson]  
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Originally Posted by David Jenson
Originally Posted by OperaTenor
Originally Posted by David Jenson
I must admit that I was intrigued by the idea of laquering hammers before there was any way to determine if the treatment was needed.


Same here. How does the OP know their tone is now "uniform?" Or, better yet, how did he know it wasn't prior to lacquering?

We may be faced here with a level of "rebuilder's intuition" that I have not yet attained. wink


Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmm . . .
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#2125034 - 07/29/13 09:33 PM Re: Steinway Grand Hammer Set (All 88) How much? [Re: kpembrook]  
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Originally Posted by kpembrook
Originally Posted by David Jenson
Originally Posted by OperaTenor
Originally Posted by David Jenson
I must admit that I was intrigued by the idea of laquering hammers before there was any way to determine if the treatment was needed.


Same here. How does the OP know their tone is now "uniform?" Or, better yet, how did he know it wasn't prior to lacquering?

We may be faced here with a level of "rebuilder's intuition" that I have not yet attained. wink


Ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmm . . .
Got it!

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Dang, David, you nailed it.

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#2128709 - 08/05/13 09:58 PM Re: Steinway Grand Hammer Set (All 88) How much? [Re: TunerJeff]  
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Originally Posted by TunerJeff
Hmmm. One of my personal horror-stories was a Steinway M from the 50's...which an unscrupulous 'rebuilder' in the early 80's 'rebuilt' by replacing the hammers with ...I am not kidding.... a used set of Teflon-era hammers and shanks that were 'like new'. The middle and top were full of that tiny little 'click' and 'tink' of the Teflon bushings rattling in the shanks. Brilliant, not.

This lovely piano 50's instrument had a set of 'Perma-Click' hammers put into it! I'm guessing that the rebuilder looked at that set of slightly used hammers and went 'What the Heck?' and saved himself a thousand bucks and reached into the discard bin to use those things. Of course....when I saw it shortly after it returned to the owner I had to explain that the job had been done incorrectly, and the owner had to argue with the 'rebuilder' over the changed hammer set. Since the bill specified 'new hammers/shanks/flanges' it was a no-brainer...and did not have to go to court.

I don't know how old 'Great Grandpa's' hammers are...but I'd look at those flanges and see if he just couldn't get himself to throw out a set of lovely looking hammers, because they were TEFLON-era and maybe he thought he might rebush the dang things...someday...which never came. Are the bushings plastic/teflon? Or standard red-bushing cloth? Might be why a good looking set of hammers were on the shelf, gents.

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There are no bushings, flanges, shanks, etc. These are just hammer heads. Nothing else


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#2130162 - 08/09/13 01:23 AM Re: Steinway Grand Hammer Set (All 88) How much? [Re: benny428]  
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I have sold a few sets of used hammers, hammer/shank/flange, and wippen sets. And yes, used is not the same as new, however as has been mentioned, there are some people who simply could not afford new and even lightly used is a huge improvement. Most recently these parts are going to countries in South America where getting new parts can be more difficult than used.

In the interest of saving our natural resources I would think this practice would be seen as a good thing, not something to be scoffed at.


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#2130228 - 08/09/13 06:24 AM Re: Steinway Grand Hammer Set (All 88) How much? [Re: benny428]  
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Reconditionned ?

I can understand the sale of an added value and the work to pack the parts, the time spend.

The parts by themselves have no value in accounting, in fact the whole price you are paid is considered benefit as you did not buy the parts.

Decent condition whippens can be very useful for older Steinways, as old part that can be find on pianos that are at dump.

Reconditionning to new condition a whippen set is about 36 hours work. economically not viable, but it can be the only solution to maintain geometry.







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Originally Posted by anrpiano
I have sold a few sets of used hammers, hammer/shank/flange, and wippen sets. And yes, used is not the same as new, however as has been mentioned, there are some people who simply could not afford new and even lightly used is a huge improvement. Most recently these parts are going to countries in South America where getting new parts can be more difficult than used.

In the interest of saving our natural resources I would think this practice would be seen as a good thing, not something to be scoffed at.

Bravo!


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