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Re: Kawai VPC1 or CA65? Need guidance [Re: stng] #2125255 07/30/13 10:11 AM
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Congratulations indeed! By the way, when you play PianoTeq are you piping the sound back through the CA-65 speakers or are you using external speakers? Just curious in how you are working it and what your experience has been.

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Re: Kawai VPC1 or CA65? Need guidance [Re: gvfarns] #2125279 07/30/13 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by gvfarns
Congratulations indeed! By the way, when you play PianoTeq are you piping the sound back through the CA-65 speakers or are you using external speakers? Just curious in how you are working it and what your experience has been.


Me too. Especially how well pianoteq sounds when routed over the internal CA speaker system.

Re: Kawai VPC1 or CA65? Need guidance [Re: stng] #2125301 07/30/13 11:48 AM
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Well, I thought I'd close this thread off. I finally committed to buying a Kawai CA65. I just loved the GF action. I've since got it home and I'm using it with Pianoteq D4 Spacious. Happy with the result. It certainly has fantastic control. I'm tempted to try the sample based software pianos, but at the moment I think I've spent enough. I'm especially enjoying recording my playing, both for study purposes and just to play through my hifi. Thanks everyone for your help.


Hi Stng,

Congrats on your awesome new DP. The Kawai CA65 and CA95 are really in the very top tier of digital pianos.

I hear the GF action is incredible. Do you happen to know (or perhaps Kawai James might chime in) if Kawai uses optical sensors on their GF action-based digital pianos? I imagine that optical-based sensors would have a technological edge in terms of accuracy as well as long-term reliability, as compared to the traditional mechanical contact/sensor type.

P.S. -- not that there is anything wrong with the traditional mechanical contact type. I am certain my Casio Privia PX-850 employs these, as do most likely the majority of DP pianos by Yamaha, Roland, Kawai, Casio, etc.

Cheers,
John

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Re: Kawai VPC1 or CA65? Need guidance [Re: Tritium] #2125367 07/30/13 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Tritium
Do you happen to know (or perhaps Kawai James might chime in) if Kawai uses optical sensors on their GF action-based digital pianos? I imagine that optical-based sensors would have a technological edge in terms of accuracy as well as long-term reliability, as compared to the traditional mechanical contact/sensor type.


Kawai uses the same kind of sensor in GF as are used in basically every digital piano. In fact, these sensors look amazingly similar even across brands of digital piano. With the exception of the AvantGrand and aftermarket MIDI strips, I am not aware of any digital piano that uses anything but the standard rubber electromechanical switch we have seen in the nekkid DP threads.

I'm not actually sure whether there is a technical advantage to optical systems. They don't interfere with the motion of the hammer, which is why they are used in the AG and in acoustic conversions, but I don't actually know of any reason to think that they are more accurate or better in other ways.

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Tritium, gvfarns is correct.

The only Kawai instruments that use optical sensors are the 'AnyTimeX' silent pianos, used to measure the velocity of the hammers.

This may well change in the future, however...

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Re: Kawai VPC1 or CA65? Need guidance [Re: stng] #2126316 08/01/13 09:01 AM
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I defer to James and others regarding the type of sensors. As for how I use the CA65, I haven't used the internal sounds much at all, preferring Pianoteq via headphones or by feeding the Pianoteq signal into the CA65 speakers themselves. The sound through the headphones is very good. The sound through the CA65 speakers, not so good, but not awful either. But in either case, the touch is great. The GF action combined with Pianoteq gives a feel much closer to an acoustic than I've experienced on a DP before. In the long run, I'll possibly buy external standpoint speakers for better sound. But honestly, the touch and the connection to the sound, rather than the absolute fidelity, is what I'm after. Can't fault the setup on that score.


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I'm wondering how quickly this is changing? Optical seems like a much better idea than mechanical sensors.



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Tritium, gvfarns is correct.

The only Kawai instruments that use optical sensors are the 'AnyTimeX' silent pianos, used to measure the velocity of the hammers.

This may well change in the future, however...

Kind regards,
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