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Old CLP-930 or New P-105? #2125566
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Which one would be better? I know the P-105 is usually $600 without any stand and stuff... but someone is selling the 930. My budget was originally going to be $300...

I've found the 930 has only one level of piano sampling so it won't sound that amazing. 930 = GHE, 105 = GHS. 930 = 64 poly, 105 = 128 poly. 930 has better sound probably as well 2x20 watts.

Im assuming the P-105 would be better overall, but price is a big thing for me as well. What is the limit of money I should pay for the 930 for it to be a better deal than the P-105?

If someone can reply quickly, that would be great. I keep losing out on good deals lol. I gotta make an offer!!!

Info about me: I don't really like digital pianos because they all feel awful compared to a real piano (<$2k i've tried). It's hard to bring out the sound either (for some reason haha). I recently moved to a new state and really want to have a piano I can know I got the best deal on! Thanks guys

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Re: Old CLP-930 or New P-105? [Re: PercMastaFTW] #2125612
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First of all, one should never be in a rush to buy a piano, any piano, because there are few players in the general population and so any piano is difficult to sell. There are tons of pianos for sale out there and few buyers, since few play.

I bought my first digital in 1989, the early days of home digitals, and even way back then there were digital consoles with weighted keys that looked, and played, just like today's. Back then the polyphony was 16, but the software was simple, not bloated like it is today, and so the sound was just as good as today, maybe better in fact, because with less software bloat the sound was purer. If you could find a digital from back then--digitals are very durable and can last indefinitely--it would be essentially worthless, but it would play just like today's digitals. You could have it for nothing.

Offer $300 for the used CLP 930, not a penny more, and the seller should grab that because that's generous for a used digital with no warranty. If he won't take it, that's his loss, because there are plenty of other used digitals for sale.

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That's a good point. It's just that these craigslist listings... I see one that was posted an hour ago and it's already gone lol. But hmm, I actually can go up to $600 total for a digital piano now... Should I go for the 930 or just look for a better one?

If the 930 SOUNDS and FEELS as good as a piano for $600 (maybe I'll try used again), I might as well go for the 930 for $300 right? But it's really old, so that doesn't seem very likely...

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Re: Old CLP-930 or New P-105? [Re: PercMastaFTW] #2125621
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The CPL930 came out in 2000. I don't know what was the selling price, but probably hovering near $2000. So at $300 you can't go wrong.

If, as you say, it has one-level sampling, then it's low end. But again, at $300 you can't go wrong. Too bad it's already sold.

Re: Old CLP-930 or New P-105? [Re: PercMastaFTW] #2125629
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haha This is the only one that's not been taken... so I'm really trying to decide right now whether or not to get it. Sent you a PM, but better deal aside, which would be a better piano to own and play: This 930 CLP, or a new $600 digital piano?

Re: Old CLP-930 or New P-105? [Re: PercMastaFTW] #2125635
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Nobody can answer that. The 930 could continue to last a lifetime, or suddenly break the week after. You'll have to evaluate the risk you can afford.

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Well, I mean like if they had no ability to break. I really want to have the best "real piano" experience (while it lasts at least haha) I can with my really tight budget. I'm thinking about the feel and sound of the pianos and the limitations of their polyphony (if they made a difference). Just wondering if they had very different feeling since they were made 10+ years apart.

EDIT: This is what I want the most: Good "feel" and a digital piano that has the most "dynamics" with more touch sensitivity to bring out the lows and high volumes more (if the pianos have any differences in them)!

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Re: Old CLP-930 or New P-105? [Re: PercMastaFTW] #2125637
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In that case I recommend you opt for the P105.


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Re: Old CLP-930 or New P-105? [Re: PercMastaFTW] #2125657
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Well, if you go for the 930 (try it for workability if possible) then if you decide later to sell, you`ll lose very little. I had an 820. Wonderful sound. Did a lot o` Beethoven stuff on that (GHE) which wasn`t the best keyboard. But neither`s GHS. . .

I`d def. go for the cabinet model. You`ll get the feel good factor lacking in board pianos. And an improved sound!

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Re: Old CLP-930 or New P-105? [Re: PercMastaFTW] #2125662
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To reply to your PM:

Originally Posted by PercMastaFTW
So is the CLP not very good in that regard of sound and dynamics since it's pretty old? Is it going to be very noticeable?

I'm really hoping to get the piano that will have "more" dynamics so I can bring the music out more, but also have the better feel. I don't want to have such a no-expression piano... At least I'd rather have the piano that's better, no matter how little, in that respect.

Anyways, should I just forget the CLP? Any other pianos that compare to the 105? I've realized that I have to buy stands for the piano and stuff which would bring up the cost a bit. Thanks James!


Please note that I've never tried the CLP-930, so cannot vouch for how it plays or sounds. However I expect a new, entry-level 'P' series instrument will out-perform a 13 year-old entry-level Clavinova in terms of expression.

If you haven't done so already, I would recommend play-testing the P105, and perhaps also the Casio PX-150. Of course, if you live nearby to the Clavinova seller, it would also be wise to give the CLP-930 a try too.

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Re: Old CLP-930 or New P-105? [Re: Kawai James] #2125667
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Thank you so very much, sir! I'm pretty inexperienced when it comes to digitals. I've tried the 105 and it felt fine. Digitals, to me, still feel very different from acoustics. I'm going to check out the 930 tomorrow to see how it runs. Should $300 be my offer?

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Originally Posted by PercMastaFTW
Thank you so very much, sir! I'm pretty inexperienced when it comes to digitals. I've tried the 105 and it felt fine. Digitals, to me, still feel very different from acoustics. I'm going to check out the 930 tomorrow to see how it runs. Should $300 be my offer?

You will know what to offer after you have inspected it, and played it.

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Let us know how you get on! Kinda excited for ya. .


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Re: Old CLP-930 or New P-105? [Re: PercMastaFTW] #2125805
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I'd gave the OP the opposite advice. The P105 has a GHS action ... quite miserable in my view. The CLP930 has the better GH action.

As for the sound system, the CLP930 probably has better speakers.

As for the tone generator, Yamaha hasn't really made much headway in a LONG time. Granted, I've never tried either of these two pianos. But given the lack of change in Yamaha's products, I'd guess the P105 would be little different from the older CLP930.

And at half the price, the CLP930 looks like a great bargain, assuming it's in good condition.

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Thanks all you guys for the help! I went and found that the sustain pedal didn't work (but it was fixed after I left). The feel felt greatt though. It just had this clanky noise when I pressed the keys up and down, which I read someone else say on the internet about the 930 as well.

After I left, the lady said she found out there was a plug that wasn't plugged in under the piano and that it sustains after she put it in. So, sounds like the sustain works.

Even though the sustain works now, should I just tell her I don't want it because of the noise, and look for another piano? Thanks all you guys.

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Might be advisable to try all the keys. If the clankyness is uniform, that`s the design. Some do sound like that. You could try to reduce the price . . .


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Hi,

I have a GH keyboard which developed some undesired clankiness and bouncing after a few years of use.

It went away as soon as I replaced the felt strips that absorb hammer impacts and key bottoming. The keyboard is practically like new after the replacement.

I remember seeing a video on youtube where a gentleman showed how to do the job yourself, provided that you can buy the felt strip spares from a Yamaha dealer. I guess the strips themselves may cost something like 20$ each or so.

Enjoy your piano whatever it is!
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So the noise was uniform throughout the whole piano! The piano feel is AMAZING. I played some $2k pianos and this feels even better for some reason...

The only thing is that the middle C developed a "sticky key". I guessed I wouldn't be able to fix the actual problem since it's probably cracked or something, from what I've read. I opened the piano up and taped this plastic bottle cap to have a weight at the end of it, and it made it slightly better lol. Still annoying to play notes fast on that note! How can I fix this lol.

But I've loved the piano already. It's great!

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You should be able to fix it. If the key is sound (you can get replacements I think) and exposed, you`ll be able to find what makes it stick. Might be accumulated dust and sweat mixture which can be removed with a proprietary cleaner and a firm artist`s paint brush . . .

So glad you liked the sound! I was interested in a CLP 270 with bells, whistles and car crashes. 16 track recorder, variable volume, GH3 keyboard, 60Watts /channel etc etc.

Weighed 200 pounds . ..and was SOOOOO ugly . . I left it!


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Swap the bad key with one up top?

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