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#2125070 07/29/13 11:07 PM
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I know this is off topic but with all the subjects on Chinese pianos and products in general... i thought everyone would enjoy this article.

Again as I have said before, this has NOT to do with Chinese people and their way of doing business but what has happened to Chinese Culture under Communist corruption.

http://www.deadline.com/2013/07/china-box-office-payments-to-hollywood-studios-in-flux/

In context all foreign countries have companies called collection agents that collect the money from film revenue in a country or region. Once collected it is divided up between the exhibitors and the studio of origin... ie... Warner Bros. Universal...

In China the Communist Party runs the collections. Even better the collections are run by one (1) man. His family are very well connected and have dumped billions into entertainment projects throughout the world so they can say they are involved with the movie business.

In short this article is basically saying that China is largest foreign box office and they haven't paid the studios their cut since 2011. Over $2.7 billion in 2012 alone.

How's that for a business partner?

For those that continue doing business with China, you are doing business with these types and may do the same to you soon... unfortunately.

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Just another reason why I try my hardest not to buy anything that was made in China.

I'm not trying to be controversial, I'm just stating a fact about my purchase habits.

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Yep, China is basically one GIANT corporation. Whether that's right or wrong is is debatable, I guess, but that is what it is.

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Yes, we try VERY hard to avoid buying Chinese products for these and many other reasons. It is, unfortunately, not possible to avoid it completely.

For this reason, I would never buy a Chinese piano despite the quality and value.

But that's just me.


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Apple should introduce the iPiano. Then the controversy would really rage!


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I don't avoid buying chinese as much as I look to buy American. It's not a vote against the chinese people or government but a vote for the american worker and a vote for buying a shirt for $16 that'll last for a few years vs. a shirt than costs $9.00 and lasts a few months. Unfortunately budget may never allow me to buy any of the currently made in America Pianos but if I could swing it, I would so jump on a Charles Walter.


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Just another reason why I try my hardest not to buy anything that was made in China.



I can fully understand that, even sympathize with that.

But what do you do when having limited funds for a piano and still wishing to have good quality?

What especially, when you buy something else that you will find out later was also made or 'pre-manufactured'in China?

Today, even some German makers 'back-string' some of their lines in China. Nobody I know is telling this their customers.

So, there's a certain honesty saying things upfront and not have consumers find out later things were slightly different.

In the end it's your own choice and "choice" is what it's all about.

Thank you for making a good point!

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My statement was that I try my 'hardest' to avoid Chinese products. If a company is deceptive or there are hidden procedures that I am not aware of, I would not be pleased, but I still tried.

I also have no problem with Chinese workers, they are just trying to make a living doing what they can. I do have a problem with the government however.

I expect that if I were looking for a piano now and could not afford one not made in China that I would look hard at the rebuilt market.


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You know i hear the reasons people buy Chinese pianos or products in general is that otherwise they wouldn't be able to afford to buy anything else but I have thought about it and if you don't rule out pre-owned then you actually DO have a lot of choices before considering Chinese. How many showrooms across the western world have pre-owned yamaha, kawai, steinway, young chang... these are all not made in China.

There are already massive amounts of stockpiled unsold products across China and companies defaulting and shutting down. In addition cities across China that until recently employed millions of workers are turning into ghost towns. The beginnings of defaults over the last years are finally catching up with the regime's way of doing business.

This can only be good for the rest of the world's economy, if we don't continue to empower their business model.

Anyway I'm not talking about boycotting Chinese products to oppose the atrocities of the communist regime that is collapsing there... I'm just saying make a conscience decision wherever and whenever you can to not enable atrocious behavior.

In the end when the Communist party collapses there, as the highest ranking Party Officials have already said will happen because of massive corruption, and 1.5 billion Chinese people, as well as others, under its heel will thank you and remember you in history. Also in the near future we will have a fair and equatable trading partner in a New China that will benefit both sides of the equation.

The best part about it is that it will be a peaceful transition.


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Originally Posted by Theodore Slutz
You know i hear the reasons people buy Chinese pianos or products in general is that otherwise they wouldn't be able to afford to buy anything else but I have thought about it and if you don't rule out pre-owned then you actually DO have a lot of choices before considering Chinese. How many showrooms across the western world have pre-owned yamaha, kawai, steinway, young chang... these are all not made in China.


Yep, and with the recent yen devaluation forced by the Japanese Central Bank, Yamaha and Kawai's came down at least 20% (in the US at least). The dealers are still showing the old MSRP's but lowering the street price. The obvious reason is to make it seem like a special deal, but also falling prices (deflation) makes people stay on the sidelines to see if prices continue to fall.





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Yep, and with the recent yen devaluation forced by the Japanese Central Bank, Yamaha and Kawai's came down at least 20% (in the US at least). The dealers are still showing the old MSRP's but lowering the street price. The obvious reason is to make it seem like a special deal, but also falling prices (deflation) makes people stay on the sidelines to see if prices continue to fall.

I have access to the wholesale prices of every manufacturer who sells here in the U.S. I find no decreases in Yamaha or Kawai, or for that matter in almost any piano sold here.

Where are you getting your figures?





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