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Re: An Acoustic Upright vs a Yamaha YDP 142 [Re: StarvingLion] #2122333
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I`d ha thought a trolley would be available for lugging this stuff into and out of venues. . . .I made one for a Hammond Organ. It collapsed. I made a sledge for the nipper (20years ago). That too collapsed . .


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Re: An Acoustic Upright vs a Yamaha YDP 142 [Re: peterws] #2122403
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Originally Posted by peterws
"Anybody who thinks they can play the lowest cheapest DP and do fine with classical. They must play like a wounded water buffalo in heat."

Bet you`ve never tried!...


The lowest cheapest referred to a Williams. Read the thread. I've only seen one of these once. It was doing a good job of impersonating a drunk in a sobriety test. It was ready to fall on the floor of the store.

I owned a YDP (I think it was a) 141 for a little while. I wasn't impressed.

My CDP-100. Definitely I got to where I was playing like a wounded water buffalo in heat. All I was trying to do was get a good clear note out of it. This with the onboard sounds. I have to admit the Ivory improved it. Not too much though. I actually thought I was just plain lousy. The dynamics, touch, just wasn't there. Then....

I got what I have now. Even though it's 20 years old. It has a real good keyboard on it. Not variable weighted. Weighted yes. My fingers get exercise. As far as touch, expression, dynamics. This thing walks all over any entry level DP I ever tried. I've gone back and tried some of them again just to check. I do admit I haven't tried the new PX-150. What I have is a righteous keyboard. I dream about how much better a VPC will be. I'm lucky to have what I have now. I'm just a lowly beginner.
EDIT: I just wanted to add. I now play what I have with tons and tons of touch. I'm very light on the keys now. Even though these keys are heavier than my CDP-120 is. (haven't gotten it sold yet...Doh!) This keyboard is teaching me to play. No banging away. I bang on these keys, I get it really loud back through the speakers. I have tons of control over the expressiveness of what I play. I just don't find that in entry level keyboards. Much less the cheapest.

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Re: An Acoustic Upright vs a Yamaha YDP 142 [Re: KlavierLiebhaber] #2122417
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I think you should go with the digital, if you plan on playing often. Get the acoustic if you're unafraid of annoying your neighbors by playing many hours a day.

I live in an apartment, and I might play my acoustic for an hour or two, but I don't play it loudly. At night I can practice for hours on the digital.


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Re: An Acoustic Upright vs a Yamaha YDP 142 [Re: KlavierLiebhaber] #2122423
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What does it cost to rent the illustrious V-Piano?

[Nevermind, it costs a fortune like the V-Piano itself]

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Re: An Acoustic Upright vs a Yamaha YDP 142 [Re: KlavierLiebhaber] #2122436
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KlavierLiebhaber, I have read your post, here:

Hello All,

I have decided to return to classical piano seriously and aim to apply to compete in an amateur competition in a couple of years. However, I am stuck on what instrument to buy.

A Yamaha YDP 142 Digital Piano fits the bill on:
1) Price
2) Practicing at any time I want
3) Tone (A sampled Yamaha concert grand) and Touch

A real acoustic, upright piano however would certainly be more inspiring, and when I become a home owner, could revel in my playing any time of the day or night. However, living in an apartment and working a full time career, an acoustic would pretty severely limit my daily practice hours for the foreseeable future.

Just an FYI, if I got an upright, I'd want to get a really good instrument like W. Hoffmann or even an Academy Bechstein if I could find a dealer willing to give me a fair but good deal, considering the fact that I would pay in cash.

Thanks for your thoughts!

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My thoughts don't count, your thoughts count.

Most of the people I know that live in condos or apartments, own a 3 legged acoustic and a digital. I would say that their 3 legged pianos are not high end and neither are the digitals, but it gives them the options of playing what you are able to play at whatever time you want. Acoustics and digitals are not remotely the same and neither one can replace other at any price.

If you live in a detached house alone, you can play 24/7/365. If you live with someone in the house, you are limited because nobody likes to hear anyone playing a piano - particularly - because when they hear the piano they realize they are being ignored!


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Re: An Acoustic Upright vs a Yamaha YDP 142 [Re: KlavierLiebhaber] #2122519
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I feel a kind obligation to warn people like the op, because I've seen people buy expensive acoustics, typically returners to piano after yrs. away. They go to a store and of course an expensive acoustic sounds wonderful, so they buy one thinking this is going to help them return to the piano. They get it home and after a month it doesn't sound that good after all, and the neighbors are harassing them, so they end up not playing it, and it's a complete waste of money. If they try to sell it no one will buy it.

A digital is the way to go. It's lightweight, has volume control, grand piano sampling, weighted keys, for all practical purposes, the equivalent of an acoustic. And if you get something like an RD700 it will be like some fantastic ideal of the perfect grand piano.

As for not being able to play on a cheap digital, note that they used to make silent keyboards beginning in the late 19th cent. and up until about the 1940's. They used to be very popular with concert pianists in the 1930's, and Arrau used on all his life. A silent keyboard is like a digital with the power turned off.

Re: An Acoustic Upright vs a Yamaha YDP 142 [Re: KlavierLiebhaber] #2122531
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Gyro, the RD700 is just another evolutionary dead end bad investment. I'm sure you would have said many years ago that the Williams Overture was all that one could ever want. You sound like Bill Gates and the 256K of ram statement.

Pure physical modeling will kick the butts of the hardware piano makers.

Innovate or die!


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Re: An Acoustic Upright vs a Yamaha YDP 142 [Re: KlavierLiebhaber] #2122662
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If you live in an apartment then yes, digital would be best, however if you live in a house you can buy a great upright for say $5000, which is only twice the price of a digital with a notable difference that the digital will be a piece of junk in few years and the upright will serve you for much longer. Tuning is not a problem as well. I bought a special tuning app for my iphone ($250) and a tuning hammer ($40) and it took me few hours for my very first tuning with no previous experience in tuning at all. Next time it'll take me no more than an hour, I'm sure.


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Re: An Acoustic Upright vs a Yamaha YDP 142 [Re: CyberGene] #2122667
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Ya don`t have to pay much for a good playable nice sounding upright. They`re cheap on ebay, and there`s loads wanting a good home!

I must admit to preferring the digital in every way. Especially playing at 3 am . . .

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Re: An Acoustic Upright vs a Yamaha YDP 142 [Re: Michael_99] #2122734
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Originally Posted by Michael_99
If you live in a detached house alone, you can play 24/7/365. If you live with someone in the house, you are limited because nobody likes to hear anyone playing a piano - particularly - because when they hear the piano they realize they are being ignored!


So true. Or otherwise they don't like to hear it because it's endless repetition of a few notes played badly, until the player decides (s)he's had enough and switches to the next section and repeats that endlessly, and badly.

I'd recommend the DP as well. I have an upright and as soon as I'm able to afford and place one, I'm getting a good DP too. I just can't practice right now. And that's a detached house, but with a wife and a young kid smile

Re: An Acoustic Upright vs a Yamaha YDP 142 [Re: Peter Leyssens] #2122811
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Wow I was surprised to return to this thread and see such enthusiastic responses!

To note, I have not been away from music for years and years and am just now returning to it. I'm definitely an advanced amateur so there's no issue of having next to no ability and wandering into a piano store to buy the most expensive acoustic thinking it will make me a great player. I'm already a fine player and want an instrument that will be inspiring smile

A possibility someone suggested is to get an acoustic I love and then perhaps a YDP 142 just for late night practicing. I like that.

As to neighbors, I remember when I was a teenager taking piano lessons, my teacher had a Steinway B and lived in a condo and gave lessons(!) That sucker had a lot more sound coming out of it than any upright. As long as I'm respectful and don't play during quiet hours, I'm not going to worry. Neighbors are just as welcome to put on their stereo or television.


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Re: An Acoustic Upright vs a Yamaha YDP 142 [Re: KlavierLiebhaber] #2123160
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Originally Posted by KlavierLiebhaber
As to neighbors, I remember when I was a teenager taking piano lessons, my teacher had a Steinway B and lived in a condo and gave lessons(!) That sucker had a lot more sound coming out of it than any upright. As long as I'm respectful and don't play during quiet hours, I'm not going to worry. Neighbors are just as welcome to put on their stereo or television.


That's a good mentality. I remember the son of my neighbours practising the trombone until 9-10 PM most evenings when I was young. The level was the typical repeat-small-phrase-badly-until-bored. But looking back, it added a bit of character to the neighbourhood. Maybe we've grown too used to people complaining and prefer ducking and hiding instead of doing what we want smile I also don't care about my lack of playing ability when I play in the evenings with the window wide open. Poor neighbours smile

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Beats the sound o` the mower or strimmer . . . my neighbor uses a strimmer to mow his lawn,. And has two yappy little footballs in waiting . . .(chuiuahas . . .)


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Re: An Acoustic Upright vs a Yamaha YDP 142 [Re: KlavierLiebhaber] #2123186
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Originally Posted by KlavierLiebhaber

A possibility someone suggested is to get an acoustic I love and then perhaps a YDP 142 just for late night practicing. I like that.
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That's a great idea. Although, I'd definitely step up from a YDP. Also for that purpose, a more portable keyboard. From all I've seen. A PX-150 is a much better keyboard than a YDP. I confess I haven't actually played one though. It's a thought worth considering. Or a better keyboard even.

I'm with you all on letting people make noise. It's hearing people live in different ways. I used to have a neighbor in the mountains of Montana. She taught piano. Had a Grand. That thing would carry through the woods. Sounded nice.
The point is that there are too many people out there who are miserable trying to make everyone else as miserable as they are. They're caught in a downward spiral of destruction. Those who make noise (subwoofers) and those who don't. They're a problem looking for a place to happen.



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Re: An Acoustic Upright vs a Yamaha YDP 142 [Re: KlavierLiebhaber] #2123744
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I'm pretty happy with my Yamaha CP5, is all I can say.


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