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#2120165 - 07/19/13 01:00 PM Appoggiatura - Chopin Waltz c# minor (op 64 no 2)  
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Hi,

I am studying Chopin's Waltz in c sharp minor. I am being troubled by the appoggiaturas found throughout the piece as highlighted in the JPG here: http://i.imgur.com/ttQLCmQ.jpg

In seemingly all of the performances of this piece that I come across, the performer brings to these measures more of a "rolling" sound than what I have been able to produce while playing ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTSu1jjKpgI ). Unfortunately I do not have a soundbyte of myself at the moment.

My question is whether my technical understanding of how these measures (right-hand) are meant to be played is correct.

From my studies, the appoggiatura should be played on the beat taking half of the time value from the note it is tied to and played with the same prominence as the main note. Based upon this, my understanding is that in the first instance of the appoggiatura it should be played:

1 - Rest
e - Rest
& - F# & G#
a - held

2 - B & F#
e - A & F# (held from previous)
& - Rest
a - F# & G

3 - F# & D#
e - held
& - held
a - held

Effectively turning the appoggiatura and the note it is tied to each into sixteenth notes. Am I correct?


Thanks!

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#2120168 - 07/19/13 01:12 PM Re: Appoggiatura - Chopin Waltz c# minor (op 64 no 2) [Re: alright]  
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I've played this one as well. The ornament, you'll note, has a little slash which, customarily makes it an Acciaccatura not an Appoggiatura. The Acciaccatura is commonly referred to as a "Crush". The two notes are played rapidly one after the other in a single motion, much like a blues note crush. The two notes should be just barely separated in time.


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#2120170 - 07/19/13 01:17 PM Re: Appoggiatura - Chopin Waltz c# minor (op 64 no 2) [Re: alright]  
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I would not treat this appoggiatura as one would a similar notation in the Baroque era, i.e: giving it half the value of the following note. I would play it, on the beat as you say, but quickly and lightly, rather as an acciaccatura, and playing it with the third below.

Edit : I see that BH posted as I was writing this, saying essentially the same thing.

Just put my reading glasses on, and I see it is an acciaccatura, not an appoggiatura. smile

Regards,

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#2120175 - 07/19/13 01:31 PM Re: Appoggiatura - Chopin Waltz c# minor (op 64 no 2) [Re: alright]  
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Oh, understood -- acciaccatura. That makes more sense. Thank you for the clarification. As I run through the measures in my head with the points you both made it seems to be "sounding" proper. I'll experiment with this tonite when I get home.

Thanks!

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