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Originally Posted by Carbonblob
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I simply wouldn't buy any piano with a water stain, period.


You think those are water stains? Wood under the keytops should be very bright on Kawai, but here you can see dark stains on bright wood – same pattern everywhere (it looks like it is dirty).

Yes, there are new models (little longer) for both Kawai (RX to GX) and Shigeru.

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Good question, I'll ask and see what the stain could be. I was too quick to assume it was water but perhaps it's glue from key lamination/compression or something along those lines. When fresh wood gets wet (for any reason) the wood will darken, provided it's pourous enough. The only other thing I can think of would be if the keys were cut from a continous piece of wood. That would show consistant grain pattern but I just don't think they would use wood with that much variation for keys!

I'm sure a rebuiler or tech has the answer for you. All I know is the word "stains" got my attention, as did "wear patterns". I'm guessing your instincts are telling you to back off. The closer you look, the more faults you're finding. I'm not saying these are red flags (that's why we always have tech inspections) but I'm hearing some disatisfaction, or at the very least, caution concerning whether the SK3 is for you......blob


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ZBGM0,

This is not a fair comparison, SK series are Kawai's high end pianos and hand made they are comparable with Boesendorfer, Steinway (Hamburg) and Fazioli.
Buying a Piano does not have any formula it is like a marriage you have to find the one which satisfies your ears and fingertips. close your eyes don't look at the brand and model just touch it and play your heart will never make a mistake.

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Originally Posted by Shahram
ZBGM0,
SK series are Kawai's high end pianos and hand made they are comparable with Boesendorfer, Steinway (Hamburg) and Fazioli.


I think this is highly debatable. In my tests I've found the Shigerus to be nice, but not in the league of the 3 you mentioned. Quite a distance behind, in fact.

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Originally Posted by Shahram
ZBGM0,
SK series are Kawai's high end pianos and hand made they are comparable with Boesendorfer, Steinway (Hamburg) and Fazioli.


I think this is highly debatable. In my tests I've found the Shigerus to be nice, but not in the league of the 3 you mentioned. Quite a distance behind, in fact.


Personal preference. I know people who prefer Shigeru over Bösendorfer.

Anyway I believe Shigeru can easily be one of the best pianos in the world if you consider RELATON between price and quality. Steinway may sound 5-10 % better (maybe much less) but it will cost 200 % more. Same thing with Fazioli and Bösendorfer or any other group 1 piano.

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Originally Posted by Shahram
ZBGM0,
SK series are Kawai's high end pianos and hand made they are comparable with Boesendorfer, Steinway (Hamburg) and Fazioli.


I think this is highly debatable. In my tests I've found the Shigerus to be nice, but not in the league of the 3 you mentioned. Quite a distance behind, in fact.



And what tests are those?
George Kolasis, for one, disagrees with you:
http://www.georgekolasis.com/best-pianos.html

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While we all have our personal preferences, very few of us would have the depth and breadth of experience in working with pianos of George Kolasis. His treatise on this comparison of pianos is balanced and convincing. He has worked with many pianists at the highest level. I believe that he knows what he is talking about when he considers Shigeru Kawai pianos to be among the top four piano makes in the world.

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ZBGM0,
SK series are Kawai's high end pianos and hand made they are comparable with Boesendorfer, Steinway (Hamburg) and Fazioli.


I think this is highly debatable. In my tests I've found the Shigerus to be nice, but not in the league of the 3 you mentioned. Quite a distance behind, in fact.



And what tests are those?
George Kolasis, for one, disagrees with you:
http://www.georgekolasis.com/best-pianos.html


I just said it's debatable. I don't need you to agree with me. I personally have them considerably lower down the foodchain and they are priced accordingly. I base this on my feelings about tone, treble sustain and clarity of voices in dense chordal playing. I think the action is second to none, however. But as I said, just my opinion. They very nice pianos and good bang for the buck, but I can see why somebody might pay a lot more to get a Fazioli or Boesendorfer etc.

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