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#2112071 - 07/03/13 09:33 AM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: erichlof]  
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I wonder if this will have any impact on Arkivmusic, which is owned by Steinway.


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#2112115 - 07/03/13 10:47 AM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: Hank Drake]  
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Originally Posted by Hank Drake
I wonder if this will have any impact on Arkivmusic, which is owned by Steinway.

Guessing it will depend a lot on the financial stability of that business segment. They're basically buying a 150 year-old house that they think they can remodel, otherwise touch-up, repackage, and make a good profit off of it. What needs replacing will get replaced. What still looks good may stay. They might also gut the whole thing and rebuild it from the ground up.

But one basic rule of thumb: any noticeable nail sticking up will either get pounded down, or ripped out and (maybe) replaced.

And one basic "axiom" of buyouts: nobody buys a business to leave it exactly as it is. Because if it's working, and working well, the owner won't sell for a good enough price to make the purchase attractive.

Here's a pretty good article on the current deal:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-01/steinway-to-be-bought-by-kohlberg-for-438-million.html

One thing that really irks me, though:
I'm still amazed that people think the economy is recovering -- and Bloomberg writers, no less! The stock market has recovered (and started a new bubble), but with still-high unemployment, declining wages, exponentially rising food and energy costs, artificially low interest rates, and an ever-growing divide between the upper- and middle- classes (particularly in the US, for foreign readers), I don't see how anyone can think this will end well... our "Economy Train" is still heading for that massive cliff we almost went off in 2008. All we did was build a bridge out over the precipice, but there is no "other side". When we run out of building materials, we will go off the end of the bridge.


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#2112255 - 07/03/13 03:22 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: erichlof]  
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#2112265 - 07/03/13 03:43 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: Brendan]  
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WOW indeed...

I'm speechless!

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#2112297 - 07/03/13 04:23 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: erichlof]  
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The reason Steinways are so popular is largely due to marketing. The business could stand to change in my opinion, as could the pianos.

I would like to see a greater variety of pianos on concert stages. The finest piano I've ever played on was a Shigeru Kawai but it seems almost nobody has heard of them.

#2112326 - 07/03/13 05:23 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: debrucey]  
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Originally Posted by debrucey
The finest piano I've ever played on was a Shigeru Kawai but it seems almost nobody has heard of them.


thumb Unfortunately, I couldn't afford that one either.

#2112358 - 07/03/13 06:32 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: argerichfan]  
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Originally Posted by argerichfan
Originally Posted by stores

I keeeeeeeel you!!!

Anyone as pretty as pogo deserves the best.



Well then, she wouldn't want a "hot" piano. =p
Of course, I would buy her one could I afford to do so and she knows this. She's gorgeous, but my reasons are not so much about her looks.



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#2112359 - 07/03/13 06:32 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: erichlof]  
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Here, as opposed to there
I read today that Steinway Hall will become a condo tower. Brilliant, eh?



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#2112522 - 07/04/13 12:22 AM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: stores]  
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That is just SO depressing!



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#2112523 - 07/04/13 12:25 AM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: Derulux]  
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Hi Deru,

" ...I don't see how anyone can think this will end well..."

No, it can't possibly, and Steinway and its like may be the first casualty.

Please post this on the thread in the "piano" forum, if you would.




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#2112762 - 07/04/13 11:47 AM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: stores]  
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Originally Posted by stores
Originally Posted by argerichfan
Originally Posted by stores

I keeeeeeeel you!!!

Anyone as pretty as pogo deserves the best.



Well then, she wouldn't want a "hot" piano. =p
Of course, I would buy her one could I afford to do so and she knows this. She's gorgeous, but my reasons are not so much about her looks.


I better have a 9 foot Steinway sitting in my apartment by Monday. You have 4 days!

Anyway, why is the whole world going to [censored] all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)



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#2112804 - 07/04/13 12:46 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: Pogorelich.]  
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Originally Posted by Pogorelich.

Anyway, why is the whole world going to [censored] all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)


Liberalism.

#2112830 - 07/04/13 01:35 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: Damon]  
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Originally Posted by Damon
Originally Posted by Pogorelich.

Anyway, why is the whole world going to [censored] all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)


Liberalism.


Don't blame Classical Liberalism.


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#2112842 - 07/04/13 02:10 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: Damon]  
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Originally Posted by Damon
Originally Posted by Pogorelich.

Anyway, why is the whole world going to [censored] all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)


Liberalism.


Politics on Piano World...

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#2112849 - 07/04/13 02:19 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: ClsscLib]  
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Originally Posted by ClsscLib
Originally Posted by Damon
Originally Posted by Pogorelich.

Anyway, why is the whole world going to [censored] all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)


Liberalism.


Don't blame Classical Liberalism.


I'm pretty sure Damon didn't mean Classical Liberalism.

#2112953 - 07/04/13 07:03 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: Pogorelich.]  
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Originally Posted by Pogorelich.
Originally Posted by stores
Originally Posted by argerichfan
Originally Posted by stores

I keeeeeeeel you!!!

Anyone as pretty as pogo deserves the best.



Well then, she wouldn't want a "hot" piano. =p
Of course, I would buy her one could I afford to do so and she knows this. She's gorgeous, but my reasons are not so much about her looks.


I better have a 9 foot Steinway sitting in my apartment by Monday. You have 4 days!

Anyway, why is the whole world going to [censored] all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)

The freaking weather here agrees with you! (ugh, rainrainrainrain!)


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#2112957 - 07/04/13 07:11 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: Damon]  
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Originally Posted by Damon
Originally Posted by Pogorelich.

Anyway, why is the whole world going to [censored] all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)


Liberalism.

Free markets.


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#2113036 - 07/04/13 11:56 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: jazzyprof]  
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Originally Posted by jazzyprof
Originally Posted by Damon
Originally Posted by Pogorelich.

Anyway, why is the whole world going to *** all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)


Liberalism.

Free markets.

Electricity.


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#2113037 - 07/04/13 11:57 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: Kreisler]  
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Originally Posted by Kreisler
Originally Posted by jazzyprof
Originally Posted by Damon
Originally Posted by Pogorelich.

Anyway, why is the whole world going to *** all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)


Liberalism.

Free markets.

Electricity.

This thread.

#2113044 - 07/05/13 12:09 AM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: erichlof]  
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This thread will be locked soon. I can smell it.

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Originally Posted by Damon
Originally Posted by debrucey
The finest piano I've ever played on was a Shigeru Kawai but it seems almost nobody has heard of them.


thumb Unfortunately, I couldn't afford that one either.


Just for the sake of comparison :

the current listed "street price"
- Steinway B (6 ft. 10-1/2 in.) in satin ebony : $88,120.00
- Shigeru Kawai SK-6L (7 ft.) in polished ebony : $71,200.00

Regards,


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#2113103 - 07/05/13 05:42 AM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: Brendan]  
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Originally Posted by Brendan
Originally Posted by Kreisler
Originally Posted by jazzyprof
Originally Posted by Damon
Originally Posted by Pogorelich.

Anyway, why is the whole world going to *** all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)


Liberalism.

Free markets.

Electricity.

This thread.


People.

More specifically, way too many of them.

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Originally Posted by wr
People.

More specifically, way too many of them.
I was thinking the very same thing, and actually I had expanded my idea a bit, but decided not to post it cause things could get rather nasty...

so... no more Steinway huh? or not?

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Originally Posted by BruceD
Originally Posted by Damon
Originally Posted by debrucey
The finest piano I've ever played on was a Shigeru Kawai but it seems almost nobody has heard of them.


thumb Unfortunately, I couldn't afford that one either.


Just for the sake of comparison :

the current listed "street price"
- Steinway B (6 ft. 10-1/2 in.) in satin ebony : $88,120.00
- Shigeru Kawai SK-6L (7 ft.) in polished ebony : $71,200.00

Regards,


I could consider the difference. laugh

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Originally Posted by BruceD
Originally Posted by Damon
Originally Posted by debrucey
The finest piano I've ever played on was a Shigeru Kawai but it seems almost nobody has heard of them.


thumb Unfortunately, I couldn't afford that one either.


Just for the sake of comparison :

the current listed "street price"
- Steinway B (6 ft. 10-1/2 in.) in satin ebony : $88,120.00
- Shigeru Kawai SK-6L (7 ft.) in polished ebony : $71,200.00

Regards,


That's not TOO bad, I guess. I think instead of a car I'll get a cheaper motorcycle, and save up for a Steinway!



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#2113259 - 07/05/13 01:40 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: laguna_greg]  
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Originally Posted by laguna_greg
Hi Deru,

" ...I don't see how anyone can think this will end well..."

No, it can't possibly, and Steinway and its like may be the first casualty.

Please post this on the thread in the "piano" forum, if you would.



I've gotten into many a similar discussion over there. wink

I'm on the road right now, but when I get a few minutes (probably Monday/Tuesday), I will check it out and slide in if/where appropriate. Haven't read that forum in a while, so I need to catch up. smile

Originally Posted by wr
Originally Posted by Brendan
Originally Posted by Kreisler
Originally Posted by jazzyprof
Originally Posted by Damon
Originally Posted by Pogorelich.

Anyway, why is the whole world going to *** all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)


Liberalism.

Free markets.

Electricity.

This thread.


People.

More specifically, way too many of them.

Sad and unfortunate truth...



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