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#2112642 - 07/04/13 06:28 AM Re: Sports? [Re: Franz Beebert]  
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#2112646 - 07/04/13 06:36 AM Re: Sports? [Re: Franz Beebert]  
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The big three for me are:

Football (soccer to our American chums)
Rugby Union
Snooker

Football has a beautiful simplicity to it, and when played well is one of the most beautiful sports there is. Despite its simplicity there is a diverse range of tactics and it can be fascinating to watch these clash. It has moments of incredible drama and skill, and it's not hard to see why it's the most popular sport in the world by far.

Rugby is a much more complicated game, but when you fully appreciate the nuances of it it becomes hugely engrossing, with a perfect blend of skill and brutal physicality. It has more flow and grace than American football, more power and general manliness than regular football.

Snooker is just a hugely skillful game, requiring unbelievable precision to play at the highest level. The pockets are smaller than on a pool table, yet the table itself is 12' x 6'! Watching a high break can be captivating, but watching a battle of tactical safety play can be equally so. The aesthetics of the green baize and the various coloured balls are also very appealing. A wonderfully relaxing sport to watch, with plenty going on.

All three of these I find huge fun to both play and watch. Now and then I also enjoy watching a bit of boxing, Formula 1, tennis and cricket.

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Originally Posted by Franz Beebert
I would like to hear, if there are any sport interested piano music lovers here? I myself love football(or soccer as they say in America), and in Europe, football is by far the biggest sport of all, and probably the greatest entertainment business, all categories. So, are there any sport lovers here? If there are, please share me your interest and tell me about your relation to the sport! smile


Why?

Why?

Why?

I could not possibly care less about your interest in soccer/football/bowling/skittles/goldfish-swallowing/competitive-pumpkin-raising/whatever.

I'm sure members here have a wide range of interests other than piano and classical music, but most have enough respect for the forum and its members not to try to impose their outside interests on the rest of us. But for those who just can't help themselves and must post about their irrelevant outside interests or else their heads will explode, some do have the presence of mind to put an "OT" in the subject line.

Next up, the Kardashians...


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Originally Posted by wr


Why?

Why?

Why?

I could not possibly care less about your interest in soccer/football/bowling/skittles/goldfish-swallowing/competitive-pumpkin-raising/whatever.




You forgot to mention worm-charming, the most musically intense of all sports. It requires the outmost in patience, and finding just the right note and pitch (I believe the microtonal note of 399.99 Hz works best) to charm the worms out of their holes.


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#2112694 - 07/04/13 09:21 AM Re: Sports? [Re: wr]  
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Originally Posted by wr
Originally Posted by Franz Beebert
I would like to hear, if there are any sport interested piano music lovers here? I myself love football(or soccer as they say in America), and in Europe, football is by far the biggest sport of all, and probably the greatest entertainment business, all categories. So, are there any sport lovers here? If there are, please share me your interest and tell me about your relation to the sport! smile


Why?

Why?

Why?

I could not possibly care less about your interest in soccer/football/bowling/skittles/goldfish-swallowing/competitive-pumpkin-raising/whatever.

I'm sure members here have a wide range of interests other than piano and classical music, but most have enough respect for the forum and its members not to try to impose their outside interests on the rest of us. But for those who just can't help themselves and must post about their irrelevant outside interests or else their heads will explode, some do have the presence of mind to put an "OT" in the subject line.

Next up, the Kardashians...

I think many posters here are interested in what other posters are like and that includes their non musical interests. There have already been many replies to this thread, and there have certainly been other PW threads asking members about their non musical interests. In fact, there have already been threads about memebers' interest in sports.

No one's imposing their outside interests on anyone. Did any of the posters so far say anyone reading the thread must take up tennis or soccer?

As far as reprimanding the poster for non including OT in the title, I find that rather silly. The worst that can happen is that someone spends around ten seconds opening up the thread and then decides it's of no interest. Of course, that can happen many times with many threads because the thread titles are not always clear in terms of explaining what the thread is about. In fact, I don't even consider this thread to be off topic.

#2112710 - 07/04/13 09:53 AM Re: Sports? [Re: Franz Beebert]  
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Unlike most red-blooded American males, I have zero interest in sports, with the major exception of tennis and the minor exception of Tigers baseball. (BTW, I'm happy to report that the Tigers beat the Blue Jays last night.)

Tennis is the one sport I'm truly a fan of. No other sport demands the complete athleticism, mental agility, and psychological toughness that tennis does. Unlike with team sports, there is no refuge, no coach, no one to replace you if your legs are cramping, or you get a tummy ache. 15,000 fans have paid a premium to see you and your opponent battle it out to the bitter end, mano a mano. And many 5-set matches can last 3, 4, or 5 hours. The John Isner-Nicolas Mahut match at Wimbledon in 2010 lasted over 11 hours, spread across 3 days, with 183 games played.

Here in America I often hear how tennis is a wussie sport, and I always chuckle. I'd love to take the most physically fit NFL, NBA, MLB or NHL player and put them on a tennis court and see how long they'd last. This assumes, of course, that they can even get off a serve, or sustain a rally long enough to raise their heart rate. To a NBA player who measures court time in minutes, or a NFL or MLB player who's in motion for less than a minute at a time, I suspect the challenge would be daunting. I'd venture to say we'd be hearing a lot of whimpering puppies begging to go home.

So hats off to Plover. Anyone who had anything to do with developing one of the greats of this game deserves to be honored. (But no one's cutting you any slack in THIS forum.) grin

#2112716 - 07/04/13 10:07 AM Re: Sports? [Re: Mark_C]  
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I'm baffled by the popularity of most sports.

I like watching the occasional game from time to time, but the amount of time, money, and energy many people spend on sports seems ludicrous to me.


Sports represents and encompasses many things that we're probably hard-wired for; ... Sports involve competition, pursuit of excellence, and physical capabilities of all sorts and their stretching to the limits. Do you not think we're hard wired for those things? I sure do. And how about if we're just watching, not playing? We experience it vicariously, plus we just find those things captivating (unless we don't, of course) ...And worship of sports heroes.....Another thing we're (probably) hard wired for is, admiration and deference to a star warrior. .. have little doubt that in an earlier era, they would have been among the star warriors, and would have helped their tribes to triumph over neighboring tribes and over their environments and to greatly help the survival of their fellow members.
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I've heard this argument before but it's simply not true for all of us. I view sports as ritualized warfare, civilization's way of channeling a primitive need in humans to secure their environment but I don't think that need is universal. I, for one, find sports utterly boring. I've never gotten emotionally involved nor do I identify with any team. I scratch my head at all the enthusiasm and it all seems silly to me. When I occasionally watch a game I do it to be a good wife. I say the right things, ask the right questions and ooh and ahh but I really don't care. So I'm either an exception to your theory or I'm from another planet.


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I view sports as ritualized warfare, civilization's way of channeling a primitive need in humans to secure their environment but I don't think that need is universal. I, for one, find sports utterly boring.

I'm with you, gooddog, (well, except for tennis which I think involves a lot more than just "sport".)

My own acceptance of sports is based on the alternative: If there were no sports, how would society's (OK, let's be honest - men's) pent up aggression be channeled? My fear is that "ritualized warfare" would quickly be replaced with real warfare. And I think we already have plenty enough of that.

Even during the depths of the recession, families would still scrape together enough to take in an occasional baseball or football game. And if it gives them solace, or escape, or provides an outlet for their anger and frustrations, what's the harm? Marx described religion as the "opiate of the people". Obviously he never attended the Super Bowl.

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Originally Posted by wr


Why?

Why?



Tell 'em that it's human nature...

#2112787 - 07/04/13 12:18 PM Re: Sports? [Re: Franz Beebert]  
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I watched the Van Cliburn competition, that's a bunch of sport, isn't it? crazy

#2112795 - 07/04/13 12:31 PM Re: Sports? [Re: wr]  
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Originally Posted by wr
....I'm sure members here have a wide range of interests other than piano and classical music, but most have enough respect for the forum and its members not to try to impose their outside interests on the rest of us.....

"Impose"???? [Linked Image]

Originally Posted by wr
....for those who just can't help themselves and must post about their irrelevant outside interests or else their heads will explode, some do have the presence of mind to put an "OT" in the subject line....

Yes, good point -- there certainly wasn't any way of knowing that a thread titled "Sports?" wasn't going to be about classical piano! ha

Originally Posted by gooddog
I've heard this argument before but it's simply not true for all of us....I, for one, find sports utterly boring. I've never gotten emotionally involved nor do I identify with any team. I scratch my head at all the enthusiasm and it all seems silly to me. When I occasionally watch a game I do it to be a good wife. I say the right things, ask the right questions and ooh and ahh but I really don't care. So I'm either an exception to your theory or I'm from another planet.

Well sure -- I was talking about those for whom it is true (or might be -- remember, it's all just a theory). Kreisler was talking about why anybody would be so interested in sports, and that's what I was addressing. I actually thought of including a disclaimer like "for many people," but figured I didn't have to. I guess I did. smile

Anyway, it looks like we don't disagree at all! What you said here (in the middle above -- I saved it for here) smile is just what I think too:

Originally Posted by gooddog
I view sports as ritualized warfare, civilization's way of channeling a primitive need in humans to secure their environment but I don't think that need is universal.

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Originally Posted by Franz Beebert
I would like to hear, if there are any sport interested piano music lovers here? I myself love football(or soccer as they say in America), and in Europe, football is by far the biggest sport of all, and probably the greatest entertainment business, all categories. So, are there any sport lovers here? If there are, please share me your interest and tell me about your relation to the sport! smile

I don't believe that playing sports is conducive to music-making. It should be all or nothing. grin


EDIT: And if I had read some of the harsher responses before posting, I wouldn't have held back, either. lol laugh

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#2115696 - 07/10/13 02:29 PM Re: Sports? [Re: Franz Beebert]  
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The reason I brought this subject up here actually is because I am in a situation where I have to choose between if I should focus the most of my energy on football(soccer) or the piano. I have the opportunity to study the piano at university level, as I now received the results which said that I am approved, but also, I am playing soccer at an almost professional level, but studying piano at university will mean no more soccer at that level, and if I choose soccer, I will have to turn down the offer to study piano at this university... What do you guys think I should do? smirk

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What do you love more? Where will you find more success? Where will you find more stability and money? What feels more right?

If you're truly able to make it in professional soccer, it seems like that's the route you should take, unless you know you're going to make it in the music world.

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I think in a way, I love music more, but I don't know... At least I feel music is more special. Why do you think I should focus on soccer? smile

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Franz Beebert, i have read your post, here:

I think in a way, I love music more, but I don't know... At least I feel music is more special. Why do you think I should focus on soccer?

I am an old man, so I see the world differently.
There is no way to predict the future. So you have make decisions that you can adjust to change.

Both soccer and music are high risk - for making money long term. If you love what you do as a job/profession you never work a day in your life.

Obviously, I know lots of people who became lawyers and later change professions to become computer programs. People who were teachers and got involved in fitness and ended up running ESL programs and becoming rich. Lots of people go to art school but later become successful film makers. Lawyers have been successful writers.

There are lots of jobs/professions related to music and soccer.

Depending how you play your cards - people have become 747 pilots and then go on to become lawyers and ultimately judges.

So lots of options. I tried to learn to play the piano but thought it wouldn't happen and now I am doing it.

You should think of what the job involves. Being a doctor sounds awesome, but the reality is listening to people complain and then giving them pills or a bandaide. Being a musician is really a human computer. You sit at the piano and hit the keys hour after hour - like typing. Being a pianist means sitting alone playing the piano and having a few minutes of fame and glory or teaching. But don't get wrong, I love life very, very much. So who are and how do you want live your life. And remember, if you are 21 and you live to 65 - you have 2,000 weekends left in you life - do the math - so the clock is always ticking and it is important to enjoy you life.


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Originally Posted by Franz Beebert
I think in a way, I love music more, but I don't know... At least I feel music is more special. Why do you think I should focus on soccer? smile


One good reason - you're far more likely to become a multi-millionaire as a professional soccer player than as a professional pianist. In fact, you have almost no chance of becoming rich as a classical musician......

How many people who don't listen to classical music can name even one classical pianist (yes, even if you include Richard Clayderman.... grin )?
Now, how many people outside USA - including children - can name a famous footballer (i.e. soccer player)? (I exclude Americans for obvious reasons).

I have absolutely no interest in soccer - and never watch it - but can still name several soccer players (though I despise most of them)......


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You might love music deep down more, because is an "art" whereas soccer is a sport. Not to say there's anything wrong with sports... I'm a mega Kentucky Wildcats basketball fan (college basketball) smile

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If there is any question in your mind about the matter, then music is not for you.


What about the musicians who study (at a high level) music and something else and then decide what they'll do after their studies ?
I saw an interview of the virtuoso classical guitar Jorge Caballero where he said that he wasn't sure if he wanted to do medicine or music and that he was only sure about his choices when he had his master.
I'm sure there are examples in the classical piano world, but they escape me.


Are you sure you can't do both ? Some persons do two (or three :D) things at once when they study. It's the only time of your life where you can do that.

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As a South African who was happily groomed in the art of playing cricket ... it amazes me how the US changed the bat-and-ball game of Rounders into a boring (for me) National Sport called Baseball ... in which the vehement
crowd swear abuse at the umpire ... fortunately he wears a protective mask .

But what is daftest of all is seeing US adults watching 7ft tall gents chasing up and down up a netball court ... apparently entertained for an hour by a liberal dose of slam-dunking (whatever that means).

As someone who enjoyed playing golf to a 6 handicap,
international badminton, mountain-climbing (Table Mountain), rugby and riding a motorbike ... but my star-turn is playing the piano.

Who’s for tennis?




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Who’s for tennis?





Seeing as Britain (a.k.a. "Scotland") has just had its first male Wimbledon champion for 77 years, I'll take up on your offer...... grin


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Originally Posted by stores
If there is any question in your mind about the matter, then music is not for you.


What about the musicians who study (at a high level) music and something else and then decide what they'll do after their studies ?
I saw an interview of the virtuoso classical guitar Jorge Caballero where he said that he wasn't sure if he wanted to do medicine or music and that he was only sure about his choices when he had his master.
I'm sure there are examples in the classical piano world, but they escape me.


Are you sure you can't do both ? Some persons do two (or three :D) things at once when they study. It's the only time of your life where you can do that.


You can split your attention, but I think there is a price to be paid if you do.

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