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#2111302 - 07/02/13 01:24 AM Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg  
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#2111319 - 07/02/13 01:54 AM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: erichlof]  
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Wow, very interesting. I wonder if production of the actual pianos will change.

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Here, as opposed to there
I'm guessing that there will be a slight surge in sales as many will want to secure an instrument before production gets shipped off to China with Boston and Essex.

Now then, if each of you were to donate a small sum to the Stores Foundation, perhaps I can afford that 90k beauty that's been sitting in the local gallery window for the longest time.



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#2111435 - 07/02/13 09:11 AM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: JoelW]  
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Originally Posted by JoelW
Wow, very interesting. I wonder if production of the actual pianos will change.


They say no, but we'll see.

Personally, I was surprised to hear the amount. $35/share seems a reasonable price for the stock, but I was surprised to hear the total market cap for LVB was only in the $450m range. (That makes it a small, low-cap stock.)

From what I've read, Kohlberg wants to focus on the international side of the company. I seriously doubt they'll do much with the New York factory, but I wouldn't be surprised if they opened a China factory and expand into Asian markets. The Essex pianos made in China have improved greatly in quality in the past few years, and the Chinese may very well be capable of building a piano worthy of the Steinway label at this point.


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#2111468 - 07/02/13 10:08 AM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: erichlof]  
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#2111518 - 07/02/13 11:23 AM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: erichlof]  
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They'll pull out of New York to harvest the capital in the real estate and move production to Mississippi, or more likely China, and Baldwinize the company. They'll extract everything of value possible. The Steinway name will become a luxury brand, think watches, luxury automobile editions, etc. They'll sell as much as possible in China, until the Chinese consumers figure out they're getting fraudulent goods.

They'll pay themselves million dollar salaries and bonuses, eventually declaring bankruptcy after they finish raping and pillaging the company.

Or maybe we'll get lucky and Samick will up the offer and buy them. Essex and Boston will move to Indonesia and the New York and Hamburg factories will remain operating, much like Seiler.

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#2111542 - 07/02/13 12:05 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: stores]  
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Originally Posted by stores
I'm guessing that there will be a slight surge in sales as many will want to secure an instrument before production gets shipped off to China with Boston and Essex.

Now then, if each of you were to donate a small sum to the Stores Foundation, perhaps I can afford that 90k beauty that's been sitting in the local gallery window for the longest time.


And then I'll steal it!



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#2111590 - 07/02/13 01:21 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: Plowboy]  
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Originally Posted by Plowboy
They'll pull out of New York to harvest the capital in the real estate and move production to Mississippi, or more likely China, and Baldwinize the company. They'll extract everything of value possible. The Steinway name will become a luxury brand, think watches, luxury automobile editions, etc. They'll sell as much as possible in China, until the Chinese consumers figure out they're getting fraudulent goods.

They'll pay themselves million dollar salaries and bonuses, eventually declaring bankruptcy after they finish raping and pillaging the company.

Or maybe we'll get lucky and Samick will up the offer and buy them. Essex and Boston will move to Indonesia and the New York and Hamburg factories will remain operating, much like Seiler.


You seem somewhat pessimistic about the Kohlberg acquisition.


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#2111597 - 07/02/13 01:30 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: stores]  
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Originally Posted by stores

Now then, if each of you were to donate a small sum to the Stores Foundation, perhaps I can afford that 90k beauty that's been sitting in the local gallery window for the longest time.


Time to schedule more concerts and recording dates, hmm? smile Intrigued to hear that D. 959 that you added to your rep. wink

#2111606 - 07/02/13 01:47 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: Plowboy]  
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Originally Posted by Plowboy
They'll pull out of New York to harvest the capital in the real estate and move production to Mississippi, or more likely China, and Baldwinize the company. They'll extract everything of value possible. The Steinway name will become a luxury brand, think watches, luxury automobile editions, etc. They'll sell as much as possible in China, until the Chinese consumers figure out they're getting fraudulent goods.

They'll pay themselves million dollar salaries and bonuses, eventually declaring bankruptcy after they finish raping and pillaging the company.

Or maybe we'll get lucky and Samick will up the offer and buy them. Essex and Boston will move to Indonesia and the New York and Hamburg factories will remain operating, much like Seiler.

Don't kid yourself. Steinway already is a luxury good. wink

The rest is exactly what capital investment companies are known for. Their goal is not to secure American manufacturing. Their goal is to increase shareholder value. If they move production to China, and double sales in China, it makes a heck of a lot more sense to the company and its shareholders than to keep production in America and sell half the number of pianos.

It is interesting that this will be their most famous portfolio company, and by far their most well-known brand. That could be good.. or bad.


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#2111624 - 07/02/13 02:13 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: erichlof]  
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If they keep the name and don't change ANYTHING in the two factories, nothing real will change.

#2111629 - 07/02/13 02:19 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: erichlof]  
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Let's face it. 2 times 2 is four. So is the Hamburg Steinway a better quality instrument than the New York Steinway.

But, for the time being, I would never, ever, consider a Chinese (please no offense) built Steinway piano an equivalent quality piano to either the New York or the Hamburg Steinway.

I simply would not buy such an instrument, at that price level.

Let us hope that they continue to operate both the New York and Hamburg facilities.


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Originally Posted by ClsscLib

You seem somewhat pessimistic about the Kohlberg acquisition.


Past experience with private equity investment groups.


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#2111642 - 07/02/13 02:51 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: Plowboy]  
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Originally Posted by Plowboy
Originally Posted by ClsscLib

You seem somewhat pessimistic about the Kohlberg acquisition.


Past experience with private equity investment groups.


This is NOT just a money making business. In fact it probably is not a wise business at this era.

How many of the Kohlberg people are in love with the sound of a Steinway piano? How important for them is the sound of a Steinway piano? Do they value the tradition?

Yes, in part this has to have a business aspect. But that must not be the main initiative. The love for making a high quality unique instrument should be the main objective.

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There are a number of things that come to my mind when I think about this:

1) HOW BAD could the new "Steinways" be? We don't even know if the two factories will be shut down or not. (probably not is my guess)

2) Genuine Steinways still exist and TONS of them. There's no shortage. If cared for, every concert grand on Earth will outlast us all.

3) Steinway isn't the only fantastic piano out there...

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This is beginning to sound like...buy Baldwin's pre Gibson era only, M&H before 1930's
etc..so now we'll have Steinway's pre Kohlberg era...

#2111683 - 07/02/13 04:00 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: JoelW]  
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A lot of truth here I think...

Originally Posted by JoelW
There are a number of things that come to my mind when I think about this:

1) HOW BAD could the new "Steinways" be? We don't even know if the two factories will be shut down or not. (probably not is my guess)

2) Genuine Steinways still exist and TONS of them. There's no shortage. If cared for, every concert grand on Earth will outlast us all.

3) Steinway isn't the only fantastic piano out there...


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#2111691 - 07/02/13 04:12 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: Kreisler]  
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Originally Posted by Kreisler
A lot of truth here I think...



Truth? Not at all.

There is a reason why Steinway is so popular than any other concert piano. It has somehow this unique sound that we can't find in any other brand. Most people love it inherently. It has some unique combination of things that touch our soul. A special character. A feeling of full satisfaction.

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They would be immensly stupid, to just kill the sound and brand. However businesmanss, they are aware what is the strenght of the Steinway: not that this piano is in each concert hall, but the SOUND.

Everybody who is buying the art company, knows that there is something specific that one brand in strong, the other is not.

And yes, STeinway has something unique in it's sound. Perhaps the ability of being dark and bright at the same time, but according to the pianist will.

The other thing is, that without earning no company will survive.

Many of you are telling the story of Baldwin. OK, but Baldwin was known mainly in US. It's a big loss, but Steinway is a synonim of piano. Just go and ask random people "which piano maker do you know"
there are pepole which will tell "none" but the others which ARE NOT interested in music/pianos/pianism etc will say "Steinway... Steinwhatever... Something with S and sons"

To some poster above regardin Boston and Essex:
The first one is made by Kawai in Japan, the second in made by Yound Chang in China.

To the moderators:
Can you merge this topic with than oryginal one from the Piano Section?

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Originally Posted by kapelli
They would be immensly stupid, to just kill the sound and brand. However businesmanss, they are aware what is the strenght of the Steinway: not that this piano is in each concert hall, but the SOUND.

Everybody who is buying the art company, knows that there is something specific that one brand in strong, the other is not.

And yes, STeinway has something unique in it's sound. Perhaps the ability of being dark and bright at the same time, but according to the pianist will.

The other thing is, that without earning no company will survive.

Many of you are telling the story of Baldwin. OK, but Baldwin was known mainly in US. It's a big loss, but Steinway is a synonim of piano. Just go and ask random people "which piano maker do you know"
there are pepole which will tell "none" but the others which ARE NOT interested in music/pianos/pianism etc will say "Steinway... Steinwhatever... Something with S and sons"

To the moderators:
Can you merge this topic with than oryginal one from the Piano Section?


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And on top of it, we are so lucky to have TWO unique sounds.
Hamburg and New York.

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Originally Posted by Hakki
Originally Posted by Plowboy
Originally Posted by ClsscLib

You seem somewhat pessimistic about the Kohlberg acquisition.


Past experience with private equity investment groups.


This is NOT just a money making business. In fact it probably is not a wise business at this era.

How many of the Kohlberg people are in love with the sound of a Steinway piano? How important for them is the sound of a Steinway piano? Do they value the tradition?

Yes, in part this has to have a business aspect. But that must not be the main initiative. The love for making a high quality unique instrument should be the main objective.

I think the keyword there is "should". Investment firms make money. And they often do so at the expense of the brand/company they buy. They will gut it, move it, cease operations, do whatever they have to do in order to make money.

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Marketing.. especially in the US market. wink

Originally Posted by kapelli
They would be immensly stupid, to just kill the sound and brand.

Why? If they decide they can make the most money by gutting it, restructuring it, and/or repackaging the brand to sell it in foreign markets (like China), why would they care about anything else? Investment firms buy businesses in order to increase the value of the investment firm.. NOT necessarily the businesses they're buying.

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True, but you're confusing the Steinway Co. with the investment firm buying them. wink



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#2111818 - 07/02/13 08:24 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: Derulux]  
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Originally Posted by Derulux

I think the keyword there is "should". Investment firms make money. And they often do so at the expense of the brand/company they buy. They will gut it, move it, cease operations, do whatever they have to do in order to make money.

Sadly, Derulux is correct. The piano's ability to "be dark and bright at the same time" is not at the top of Kohlberg's list of priorities. It boils down to: (Unit Price X Volume) - Costs. The fact that Steinways are the preferred choice of pianists throughout the world means nothing. If they could make more money producing 1000 pianos/year at a high price vs. 100,000 at a lower price, have no fear, they'd do it.

Boesendorfer and Yamaha may be licking their chops.

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Originally Posted by Pogorelich.
Originally Posted by stores
I'm guessing that there will be a slight surge in sales as many will want to secure an instrument before production gets shipped off to China with Boston and Essex.

Now then, if each of you were to donate a small sum to the Stores Foundation, perhaps I can afford that 90k beauty that's been sitting in the local gallery window for the longest time.


And then I'll steal it!


I keeeeeeeel you!!!



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Originally Posted by stores

I keeeeeeeel you!!!

Anyone as pretty as pogo deserves the best.

Oh well, a Steinway has been on my Christmas list since I was a young lad, and when I broached the subject with my mum, let us just say it didn't go over very well.

Some people -mothers in particular- do not have a sense of humour. It was a pain in the arse just getting her to buy me the Tovey edition of the Beethoven sonatas. One would think I was asking for a rare early edition of Omar Khayyám's writings.


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Originally Posted by argerichfan
Oh well, a Steinway has been on my Christmas list since I was a young lad, and when I broached the subject with my mum, let us just say it didn't go over very well.
Be patient. I waited 45 years for mine and had to take out a second mortgage to do it. It was, of course, worth the wait and the huge monthly payment.


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Marketing savvy also has something to do with it. And not all Steinway pianos are good.

I often wonder if people had similar access to Fazioli, Shigeru Kawai, Petrof, Bosendorfer, etc..., would they still prefer Steinway? In probably 98% of the halls, schools, and showrooms I've played in, Steinway was the only available high-end piano to try. To my knowledge, in my entire state, there are only two non-Steinway concert instruments in use. Drake University has a new Yamaha CFX, and Central College has a Fazioli. Both are amazing instruments.


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Originally Posted by Kreisler
A lot of truth here I think...



Truth? Not at all.

There is a reason why Steinway is so popular than any other concert piano. It has somehow this unique sound that we can't find in any other brand. Most people love it inherently. It has some unique combination of things that touch our soul. A special character. A feeling of full satisfaction.


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The Boosie Imperial 97-key piano at my school isn't as good as the Steinways at my school, but that could just as easily be the technician (or the piano faculty's preferences that they tell the technician).

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Originally Posted by gooddog
Originally Posted by argerichfan
Oh well, a Steinway has been on my Christmas list since I was a young lad, and when I broached the subject with my mum, let us just say it didn't go over very well.
Be patient. I waited 45 years for mine and had to take out a second mortgage to do it. It was, of course, worth the wait and the huge monthly payment.



I got mine two years ago, having saved up for 25 years. Man, is it beautiful.

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Does anybody want to buy my 1912 Grotrian Steinweg upright? ... in top condition.

Offers above $2 million will be favourably considered.
“Who wants to be a millionaire ... I do”
(thank you Mr Sinatra ... from the movie High Society)

Yet another Chinese complot in the ointment ...
but then, there are such a lot of the dratted blighters.

Upon 2nd thoughts ... the price just went up to $3 million.
(I need the dough)

Kind regards, btb

PS The Kohlberg name sounds like a frosty mountain.

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Originally Posted by btb

PS The Kohlberg name sounds like a frosty mountain.
Sounds like a high bar release in men's gymnastics to me.

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I wonder if this will have any impact on Arkivmusic, which is owned by Steinway.


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#2112115 - 07/03/13 10:47 AM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: Hank Drake]  
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Originally Posted by Hank Drake
I wonder if this will have any impact on Arkivmusic, which is owned by Steinway.

Guessing it will depend a lot on the financial stability of that business segment. They're basically buying a 150 year-old house that they think they can remodel, otherwise touch-up, repackage, and make a good profit off of it. What needs replacing will get replaced. What still looks good may stay. They might also gut the whole thing and rebuild it from the ground up.

But one basic rule of thumb: any noticeable nail sticking up will either get pounded down, or ripped out and (maybe) replaced.

And one basic "axiom" of buyouts: nobody buys a business to leave it exactly as it is. Because if it's working, and working well, the owner won't sell for a good enough price to make the purchase attractive.

Here's a pretty good article on the current deal:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-01/steinway-to-be-bought-by-kohlberg-for-438-million.html

One thing that really irks me, though:
I'm still amazed that people think the economy is recovering -- and Bloomberg writers, no less! The stock market has recovered (and started a new bubble), but with still-high unemployment, declining wages, exponentially rising food and energy costs, artificially low interest rates, and an ever-growing divide between the upper- and middle- classes (particularly in the US, for foreign readers), I don't see how anyone can think this will end well... our "Economy Train" is still heading for that massive cliff we almost went off in 2008. All we did was build a bridge out over the precipice, but there is no "other side". When we run out of building materials, we will go off the end of the bridge.


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WOW indeed...

I'm speechless!

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The reason Steinways are so popular is largely due to marketing. The business could stand to change in my opinion, as could the pianos.

I would like to see a greater variety of pianos on concert stages. The finest piano I've ever played on was a Shigeru Kawai but it seems almost nobody has heard of them.

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Originally Posted by debrucey
The finest piano I've ever played on was a Shigeru Kawai but it seems almost nobody has heard of them.


thumb Unfortunately, I couldn't afford that one either.

#2112358 - 07/03/13 06:32 PM Re: Steinway is bought out... we now play a Kholberg [Re: argerichfan]  
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Originally Posted by argerichfan
Originally Posted by stores

I keeeeeeeel you!!!

Anyone as pretty as pogo deserves the best.



Well then, she wouldn't want a "hot" piano. =p
Of course, I would buy her one could I afford to do so and she knows this. She's gorgeous, but my reasons are not so much about her looks.



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I read today that Steinway Hall will become a condo tower. Brilliant, eh?



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That is just SO depressing!



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Hi Deru,

" ...I don't see how anyone can think this will end well..."

No, it can't possibly, and Steinway and its like may be the first casualty.

Please post this on the thread in the "piano" forum, if you would.




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Originally Posted by stores
Originally Posted by argerichfan
Originally Posted by stores

I keeeeeeeel you!!!

Anyone as pretty as pogo deserves the best.



Well then, she wouldn't want a "hot" piano. =p
Of course, I would buy her one could I afford to do so and she knows this. She's gorgeous, but my reasons are not so much about her looks.


I better have a 9 foot Steinway sitting in my apartment by Monday. You have 4 days!

Anyway, why is the whole world going to [censored] all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)



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Originally Posted by Pogorelich.

Anyway, why is the whole world going to [censored] all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)


Liberalism.

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Originally Posted by Damon
Originally Posted by Pogorelich.

Anyway, why is the whole world going to [censored] all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)


Liberalism.


Don't blame Classical Liberalism.


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Originally Posted by Damon
Originally Posted by Pogorelich.

Anyway, why is the whole world going to [censored] all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)


Liberalism.


Politics on Piano World...

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Originally Posted by ClsscLib
Originally Posted by Damon
Originally Posted by Pogorelich.

Anyway, why is the whole world going to [censored] all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)


Liberalism.


Don't blame Classical Liberalism.


I'm pretty sure Damon didn't mean Classical Liberalism.

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Originally Posted by Pogorelich.
Originally Posted by stores
Originally Posted by argerichfan
Originally Posted by stores

I keeeeeeeel you!!!

Anyone as pretty as pogo deserves the best.



Well then, she wouldn't want a "hot" piano. =p
Of course, I would buy her one could I afford to do so and she knows this. She's gorgeous, but my reasons are not so much about her looks.


I better have a 9 foot Steinway sitting in my apartment by Monday. You have 4 days!

Anyway, why is the whole world going to [censored] all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)

The freaking weather here agrees with you! (ugh, rainrainrainrain!)


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Originally Posted by Damon
Originally Posted by Pogorelich.

Anyway, why is the whole world going to [censored] all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)


Liberalism.

Free markets.


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Originally Posted by jazzyprof
Originally Posted by Damon
Originally Posted by Pogorelich.

Anyway, why is the whole world going to *** all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)


Liberalism.

Free markets.

Electricity.


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Originally Posted by Kreisler
Originally Posted by jazzyprof
Originally Posted by Damon
Originally Posted by Pogorelich.

Anyway, why is the whole world going to *** all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)


Liberalism.

Free markets.

Electricity.

This thread.

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This thread will be locked soon. I can smell it.

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Originally Posted by Damon
Originally Posted by debrucey
The finest piano I've ever played on was a Shigeru Kawai but it seems almost nobody has heard of them.


thumb Unfortunately, I couldn't afford that one either.


Just for the sake of comparison :

the current listed "street price"
- Steinway B (6 ft. 10-1/2 in.) in satin ebony : $88,120.00
- Shigeru Kawai SK-6L (7 ft.) in polished ebony : $71,200.00

Regards,


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Originally Posted by Brendan
Originally Posted by Kreisler
Originally Posted by jazzyprof
Originally Posted by Damon
Originally Posted by Pogorelich.

Anyway, why is the whole world going to *** all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)


Liberalism.

Free markets.

Electricity.

This thread.


People.

More specifically, way too many of them.

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Originally Posted by wr
People.

More specifically, way too many of them.
I was thinking the very same thing, and actually I had expanded my idea a bit, but decided not to post it cause things could get rather nasty...

so... no more Steinway huh? or not?

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Originally Posted by BruceD
Originally Posted by Damon
Originally Posted by debrucey
The finest piano I've ever played on was a Shigeru Kawai but it seems almost nobody has heard of them.


thumb Unfortunately, I couldn't afford that one either.


Just for the sake of comparison :

the current listed "street price"
- Steinway B (6 ft. 10-1/2 in.) in satin ebony : $88,120.00
- Shigeru Kawai SK-6L (7 ft.) in polished ebony : $71,200.00

Regards,


I could consider the difference. laugh

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Originally Posted by BruceD
Originally Posted by Damon
Originally Posted by debrucey
The finest piano I've ever played on was a Shigeru Kawai but it seems almost nobody has heard of them.


thumb Unfortunately, I couldn't afford that one either.


Just for the sake of comparison :

the current listed "street price"
- Steinway B (6 ft. 10-1/2 in.) in satin ebony : $88,120.00
- Shigeru Kawai SK-6L (7 ft.) in polished ebony : $71,200.00

Regards,


That's not TOO bad, I guess. I think instead of a car I'll get a cheaper motorcycle, and save up for a Steinway!



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Originally Posted by laguna_greg
Hi Deru,

" ...I don't see how anyone can think this will end well..."

No, it can't possibly, and Steinway and its like may be the first casualty.

Please post this on the thread in the "piano" forum, if you would.



I've gotten into many a similar discussion over there. wink

I'm on the road right now, but when I get a few minutes (probably Monday/Tuesday), I will check it out and slide in if/where appropriate. Haven't read that forum in a while, so I need to catch up. smile

Originally Posted by wr
Originally Posted by Brendan
Originally Posted by Kreisler
Originally Posted by jazzyprof
Originally Posted by Damon
Originally Posted by Pogorelich.

Anyway, why is the whole world going to *** all of a sudden????? (it always was, but this is some new astronomical rate)


Liberalism.

Free markets.

Electricity.

This thread.


People.

More specifically, way too many of them.

Sad and unfortunate truth...



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