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#2108014 - 06/25/13 06:10 PM I didn't know this was even possible.  
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Look at what he does at 0:17:16

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tncAsuemCRc#t=0h17m16s

Not impressed? Go try it yourself.

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#2108031 - 06/25/13 06:37 PM Re: I didn't know this was even possible. [Re: JoelW]  
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It's actually not as hard as it looks. You just have to turn your fingers out so they glide better, and then hold your hand firm so you don't switch intervals.

If he's using his thumb, that's significantly harder. I wouldn't use that fingering for a full chord. 235 is easier. smile


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#2108037 - 06/25/13 06:46 PM Re: I didn't know this was even possible. [Re: JoelW]  
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See Alborada del gracioso? You can watch Richter, but he does a cool fingering where he plays the glissandi in thirds with his palms facing up.


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#2108048 - 06/25/13 06:56 PM Re: I didn't know this was even possible. [Re: JoelW]  
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Maybe the action wasn't too heavy?

Either way, impressive! Reminds me of the glissandi in Alborada that Kuanpiano mentioned.

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It doesn't sound to me like a glissando. The tempo seems much to even and each chord sounds deliberately pressed. Also, his hand seems to be ever-so-slightly moving up and down.

#2108062 - 06/25/13 07:30 PM Re: I didn't know this was even possible. [Re: JoelW]  
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Looks to me like his fingers that are sticking out are shaking because of the impact of the side of the keys while doing the glissando. There's no excess tension there.

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It's definitely a glissando. When you play them slow enough and evenly enough, it does sound like each key is being deliberately pressed. It's basically an "effect", for lack of a better term. Trouble is, we're so used to hearing what I'll call the "rock 'n roll" glissando, which is extremely fast and you can't discern individual notes, that we're predisposed to thinking that's the only type of glissando out there. wink

Kuan- Richter does what with his hands?? Any chance you can find a video of it? I think I'd really like to see that! Are we talking total palm up, wrist up, fingers up, or is it more of a vertical wrist (thumb up, pinky down), and then a sort of "cupping" of the hand to get multiple fingers onto the keys? The former is very intriguing because I've never seen that done. The latter is a little closer to what I suggested in my original post.


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#2108071 - 06/25/13 07:43 PM Re: I didn't know this was even possible. [Re: JoelW]  
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Here's a clip with just that part! It's crazy!



He plays with his palms up, so he takes the glissando using 3-2 (with his right hand! not 2-3). I've tried this while playing around with this section and it's quite comfortable for the glissandi going up. Try it out!

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#2108139 - 06/25/13 10:21 PM Re: I didn't know this was even possible. [Re: JoelW]  
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Ah, okay. That's similar to what I do, but I don't think I ever turned the hand over so far for a multi-note glissando. I might have to try it, though.

(For some reason, I had this image in my mind of his wrist "up" -- take the normal playing position, and turn the hand over palm up. Somehow thought he was playing "upside down" laugh )

When I do glissandos, I usually use the back of my 3rd finger alone and/or 34, on the nail. On the way down, thumb nail. Helps prevent injury/cuts/bleeding on sharp-edged keys. First figured it out on an old player upright with thin ivory keys that had edges like razors.


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#2108916 - 06/27/13 06:57 AM Re: I didn't know this was even possible. [Re: JoelW]  
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This is the sort of thing that is easy on the finest of pianos and next to impossible on anything else.

The most impressive display of glissando technique I've ever seen is the whole-tone glisando at the end of this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaaRXiVNBFk&t=1m41s


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#2108935 - 06/27/13 07:47 AM Re: I didn't know this was even possible. [Re: JoelW]  
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For those who can't get their fill of glissandos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iqFvQjdcm8

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With Rubinstein, all things are possible.

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For me the nail slides much better, that's why rotating the hand upside down works nice.

I had a piece of Rameau that asked for octave glissando at the end. There the upside down trick doesn't work because the fingers need to point in the opposite direction. Only way to do it seemed to curl the thumb with nail down and I could never get enough control that way. So I ended up playing out the glissando with two hands...


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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
For those who can't get their fill of glissandos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iqFvQjdcm8

Thanks. But a little goes a long way.

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With Rubinstein, all things are possible.


I agree. He's in my top five favorite pianists. smile


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