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#2107690 - 06/25/13 08:57 AM seeking input about DPs  
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I'm an adult in my 30s and I've taken piano lessons on and off over the years (high school, college, early adulthood), and probably only progressed to the "late beginner" stage of proficiency. I've been wanting to get back to it for a long time and feel like I'm in a good place now for doing so. I have a Casio keyboard of some type (circa 2003 or so) that I used to practice on way back, but I'd like to get a digital piano that more closely recreates the acoustic experience (though I'm aware that it will not be "the same" as playing on an acoustic). So here's what I'm looking for in a digital piano:

- 88 keys
- weighted key action that's "good" (as close to acoustic key action as possible for the price)
- ability to connect to lesson software (whether I choose to go that route for the bulk of my learning or just use it to supplement my lessons with a "live" teacher is up in the air at this point, but I'd like to have that option)
- ability to connect to computer for recording, mixing, or whatever (I'm obviously totally clueless about that whole thing but I'd be interested in exploring/playing around with that)
- under $1500

Any recommendations based on those parameters? I've been looking online at the Casio Px 780 and 850, but I'm unclear as to whether they can work with lesson software.

Thanks in advance for any help! So glad I discovered this forum - so much great info here.

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#2107696 - 06/25/13 09:07 AM Re: seeking input about DPs [Re: maire8]  
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Lesson software..... you're not talking synthesia are you?

Anyway most stuff made for a long time now has a midi port or a USB port.

The only slight change is a new MIDI standard which the new PX series will have.

My Win7 PC recognises my CDP200 off the bat and it first came out around 2008. It recognises my LK240 which is 2007 tech.



#2107950 - 06/25/13 04:40 PM Re: seeking input about DPs [Re: maire8]  
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Haven't heard of Synthesia - so no. I was just reading about a bunch of different types - Piano Marvel, Playground Sessions, etc. I don't have my eyes set on any one of them really, I just know they are an option that could be helpful.

Thanks for the info. I thought I had read (somewhere on the web) someone talking about how a certain Casio didn't have MIDI or something - and again, I'm clueless about that aspect of piano playing currently, so I wanted to make sure. Maybe they were talking about an older model.

Also - neither Casio comes up on Musician's Friend when I filter the digital pianos by "MIDI in/out."

#2108025 - 06/25/13 06:27 PM Re: seeking input about DPs [Re: maire8]  
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#2108075 - 06/25/13 07:49 PM Re: seeking input about DPs [Re: dmd]  
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Thanks. Is this a recommendation?

#2108091 - 06/25/13 08:15 PM Re: seeking input about DPs [Re: maire8]  
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Originally Posted by maire8


Thanks. Is this a recommendation?



If I was in the market for a digital piano I would probably go for it myself. I am considering it even though I already have one. Other than that, I have no first-hand knowledge of that digital piano.

If you read about it here and other places you will find it gets pretty good reviews.


I am simply trying to help you shorten the decision making cycle and get started playing something. You can agonize about "which digital piano to buy" for weeks and months and in the end you will probably get the one I suggested or one that is very similar. There are many many options. The one I suggested appears to be as good or better than most.

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#2108123 - 06/25/13 09:29 PM Re: seeking input about DPs [Re: dmd]  
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Originally Posted by dmd

I am simply trying to help you shorten the decision making cycle and get started playing something. You can agonize about "which digital piano to buy" for weeks and months

Ain't that the truth. Darn internet - making life easier in so many ways, but also complicating it by allowing us to explore infinite choices!

Thanks again.

#2108190 - 06/26/13 01:20 AM Re: seeking input about DPs [Re: maire8]  
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As a PX-350 owner:

. . . It would be a reasonable choice for what you want to do.

It has MIDI in/out ports, a USB connection (which can be used as a simulated MIDI in/out port), and Line In/Out jacks.

The keyboard action is reasonable. Any digipiano with better action (and they exist) costs considerably more. [That list is for another post . . . ) Judging "better action" is somewhat subjective. I don't like the Yamaha GHS (P105) action, but others do. I _do_ like the Yamaha GH action, which is in the P155.

If the lesson software runs through MIDI ports (that's how I would design it), it should run on most anything. You could either get a MIDI-to-USB adapter ($30 or so) for the computer, or use the PX-350's USB port, a USB-to-USB cable, and appropriate drivers on the computer.

. Charles

PS -- the PX-150 is (IMHO) a stripped-down version of the PX-350. No auto-accompaniment, a much smaller set of voices, limited (no?) rhythms. It has the same keyboard mechanism, and it shares some of the good 'grand piano' voices. I don't know about MIDI and line in/out -- check the specs. About $200 cheaper.




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#2108268 - 06/26/13 08:44 AM Re: seeking input about DPs [Re: maire8]  
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Originally Posted by maire8
I thought I had read (somewhere on the web) someone talking about how a certain Casio didn't have MIDI or something - and again, I'm clueless about that aspect of piano playing currently, so I wanted to make sure. Maybe they were talking about an older model.

Also - neither Casio comes up on Musician's Friend when I filter the digital pianos by "MIDI in/out."


Erm there has been change over time from MIDI ports to MIDI via USB ports, some of the higher end stuff like the Roland RD700NX has both MIDI and USB ports. It is cheaper to stick a USB port rather than both so my Casios have only had USB ports.

I'm assuming you're in the US, if so take a look at the Yam P155 it is MUCH cheaper in the US than Europe as my beef with the PX series other than the 850 is that the sustain isn't continuous, you can set the half point but then it has 3 values.

My own personal problem was when I went over to an acoustic for a short time on a loan piano. I would simply press the sustain and keep it there, which works ok on digitals, less so on acoustics. It took me a bit of time to adjust. Now my loan piano has gone back I'm having trouble adjusting back.

#2108353 - 06/26/13 12:18 PM Re: seeking input about DPs [Re: maire8]  
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Try the Roland RP-301. I don't know why everybody hear is forgetting about this instrument. Beware: that are two version of this piano which differs a lot in price both available in stores.

Also I checked the Sweetwated just to check the US prices and the have the Roland FP-50 fot 1500 with 0% installments.

Just the top of your price view.

#2108472 - 06/26/13 02:57 PM Re: seeking input about DPs [Re: maire8]  
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One more thing worthwhile mentioning, about the Casios PX-???. Many of them have a USB port for recording straight to a USB key, and playing it back on the piano. Without the intervention of a computer.

At least the PX-350, PX-750 and PX-850 have this option, not sure about other models.

I'm wondering if it's possible (a question actually) to copy a .wav file to the USB stick, for example a rhythm you can find online or have from a DVD or CD, and play it on the piano. Such a feature could replace built-in rhythms and accompaniments, many DPs have.

Casio probably has some special version of the WAV format, so you can't just play any WAV-file you want to.


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#2108479 - 06/26/13 03:07 PM Re: seeking input about DPs [Re: maire8]  
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You should ask Mike Martin, he is Casio representative on these boards.

#2108489 - 06/26/13 03:21 PM Re: seeking input about DPs [Re: maire8]  
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Thanks for the suggestion justpin, I might do that. Will wait though for a few days, if he should stumble on this discussion. I've noticed he's been answering questions here on PW.


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#2108678 - 06/26/13 08:01 PM Re: seeking input about DPs [Re: maire8]  
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Thanks for the great info, everyone! You've helped me to narrow my focus a bit in my search.

Since the PX350 is getting recommended a lot in this thread - can anyone tell me what the differences are between that and the PX780 and PX850?

#2108757 - 06/26/13 10:07 PM Re: seeking input about DPs [Re: maire8]  
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Casio has a fork in the upgrade path:

. . . The PX-780 is a PX-350 (full set of voices, with
. . . arranger features) with a cabinet, and upgraded
. . . loudspeakers and amps.

. . . The PX-850 is (roughly speaking) a PX-150 with upgraded
. . . sound generator (including string resonance and
. . . I think continuous half-pedalling), and upgraded
. . . loudspeakers and amps.

So if you want a PX-350 in a cabinet, with a PX-850 upgraded sound generator, loudspeakers, and amps --

. . . . that model doesn't exist. Not yet.

I have some thoughts about that fork, but they're unprintable. Maybe the engineers just ran out of CPU power -- but the PX-5S has loads of goodies inside.

. Charles

PS -- Mike Martin has a recent post about this question -- try Google.


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#2108792 - 06/26/13 11:28 PM Re: seeking input about DPs [Re: Charles Cohen]  
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Thanks, Charles - very helpful!


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