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My choice for Acoustic Piano #2107464 06/24/13 08:20 PM
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I was in a music store this evening browsing around various digitals (getting GAS again) and one of the salesmen, who knows me, suggested I take a turn on one of their Steinway acoustic pianos.

So, I did.

First time I have played a really good acoustic and it went pretty well. I was surprised I could actually play on one since I have learned on digitals only. This was a very,very,very good one. How do I know ? Price Tag: $143,000.00

Then I saw some "lesser" ones right next to it.

$100,000.00 Not too bad.

$80,000.00 Didn't like it.

$60,000.00 Worse (In my opinion)

Bottom line ... I won't be playing on my own acoustic anytime soon.



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Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: dmd] #2107485 06/24/13 08:55 PM
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You pay a premium for the Steinway name. Also, because it's not a liquid market, your selection and the prices you face vary greatly by dealer.

I was in a Kawai shop a few years ago and the owner offered me a really sweet, very large brand new grand for $24K if I remember correctly. Then I went upstairs and tried the used pianos and found a hand-made European piano I liked even more (unfortunately I did not recognize or remember the brand). One of the nicest pianos I have played. Had a wonderful sweet tone that really spoke to me. He offered it to me for $16K. I was very tempted. No space in the house for it, though.

That kind of opportunity was what I really liked about living in Chicago. Don't miss the crime, though.

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Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: dmd] #2107492 06/24/13 09:10 PM
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Well, that VERY NICE Steinway is the only acoustic I have ever played that I actually liked. Every other one I have played (all cheap ones) has always been VERY LOUD and difficult for me to play pleasantly.


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Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: dmd] #2107509 06/24/13 09:52 PM
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Every piano is unique, although brands tend to have a certain "sound" overall. There are just so many fine ones out there, and fine ones for less than half the price of a Steinway. The money isn't always for quality, but sometimes just the name.


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Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: dmd] #2107528 06/24/13 10:37 PM
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I hope you're not thinking of buying one. Try this. Go back to the store and try that grand at least twice more. By the third time you try it, the novelty will have worn off and it won't sound as overwhelming.

Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: dmd] #2107535 06/24/13 10:45 PM
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Welcome back, Gyro!


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Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: dmd] #2107539 06/24/13 10:54 PM
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Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: dmd] #2107568 06/24/13 11:50 PM
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My eyes must be failing me... is "Gyro" truly now back among us? wow

Extra note:

Still waiting to hear a concerto played on the Williams Overture digital!

Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: dmd] #2107573 06/25/13 12:01 AM
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I reckon peterws, pv88, and Gyro should come together to form a boy-band/super-group.

They could be called "Idiosyncrasy".

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Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: Kawai James] #2107578 06/25/13 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
I reckon peterws, pv88, and Gyro should come together to form a boy-band/super-group.

They could be called "Idiosyncrasy".

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Nice idea - but a little gender presumptuous, perhaps. I have in mind that Gyro is actually a beautiful, languorous blonde, with come-hither eyes.... no wait, that's a completely different fantasy. Focus, vp! wink


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Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: voxpops] #2107602 06/25/13 01:02 AM
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Sounds good . . .a girl in a boy band . . .I don`t mind playin` bass . . . grin


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Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: dmd] #2107604 06/25/13 01:11 AM
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I usually have the opposite problems with pianos. Either digital or acoustic. Back in the 7o`s me missus worked in a piano shop. so I got to try` em all out, Baldwins were stocked. The cheapest (spinet?) was great. Nice balanced tone. The priciest was too boomy and to my ears, not nice.

Best piano I ever played was a big Bluthner, superbly tuned, at Barrow in Furness Civic Centre. Backing a C&W singer . . .Fantastic!


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Originally Posted by peterws
Barrow in Furness


Quite possibly the ugliest and most depressing corner of the entire globe. Except Hull.

Just needed to say that.


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Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: dmd] #2107645 06/25/13 04:54 AM
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Who's Gyro and why the fuzz ??

About the acoustic: at $143,000.00 , it better be great :-)

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Originally Posted by JFP
Who's Gyro and why the fuzz ??


A long-standing member with somewhat eccentric views some might say. We welcome him back!....


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Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: dmd] #2107652 06/25/13 05:41 AM
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dmd, I have read your post, here:

I was in a music store this evening browsing around various digitals (getting GAS again) and one of the salesmen, who knows me, suggested I take a turn on one of their Steinway acoustic pianos.

So, I did.

First time I have played a really good acoustic and it went pretty well. I was surprised I could actually play on one since I have learned on digitals only. This was a very,very,very good one. How do I know ? Price Tag: $143,000.00

Then I saw some "lesser" ones right next to it.

$100,000.00 Not too bad.

$80,000.00 Didn't like it.

$60,000.00 Worse (In my opinion)

Bottom line ... I won't be playing on my own acoustic anytime soon.

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I remember when I was a young man that this guy and his wife used to want to drive around and look at expensive houses. We were in our early 20s. I didn't understand why so I didn't go.

At 27, I bought a cheap shack, property taxes were 25 cents a day. Today, the property taxes are 10 dollars a day. My rule is, I don't look at things I can't afford. My friends today have property taxes that are $20 a day which I can't afford.

Unlike you, I played an acoustic when I was 7 and I remembered how it felt and I am glad I switch to an acoustic. I would rather live in a shack and have a cheap acoustic than live in a mansion and have a digital.




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There are loads of very playable cheap uprights (and grands)around needing good homes. The fun would be seeking one out when you have all the time in the world to do this . . ! And tune/service it yerself.
I`d have a little Baldwin if I had the space. Great pianos!


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Re: My choice for Acoustic Piano [Re: Gyro] #2107675 06/25/13 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Gyro
I hope you're not thinking of buying one.


Not even close.

I am really not a fan of the acoustic sound, I guess.

Every acoustic I have played is always too BOOMY. At least, it is when I play it. Poor technique, I am sure.



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I bet you wouldn't want to go back to your DP after practicing on a good upright acoustic, like one from the Yamaha U series, for a few weeks. You just don't know it yet grin


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Originally Posted by dmd
Originally Posted by Gyro
I hope you're not thinking of buying one.


Not even close.

I am really not a fan of the acoustic sound, I guess.

Every acoustic I have played is always too BOOMY. At least, it is when I play it. Poor technique, I am sure.



Pretty much this. You can get really superb instruments for $80,000. Poor voicing and regulation excluded, if you can't make an $80k piano sing, it's a technique thing. What most people who have only played DPs don't get is that DPs have a greatly reduced dynamic range and people set the volume where it is easiest for them - and in the process they don't learn how to play with a light touch - which is essential to control the power of an acoustic. DP only players also greatly over-pedal - which is intolerable on an acoustic. A skilled player will be able to play an $80,000 grand much softer and much louder, and with more tonal variation than a DP.

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