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#2105137 - 06/19/13 11:10 PM Yamaha, Essex, or Perzina? Upright or baby grand?  
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Hi everyone,

I'm new to this community, but have seen lots of great feedback and was hoping for some specific to my situation.

I grew up playing piano on a Yamaha C109, and am now looking for a new piano for a new house. I've been accustomed to the Yamaha brightness, and to my ear it's a crisper and cleaner sound. Having said that, now that I've been looking around and testing lots of pianos side by side, I might find the Yamaha sound TOO bright on the models I've tried.

I was looking for something similar in size to the T118 or T121. I also checked out the Essex EUP-116E. For some reason the idea of Kawai (K2 or K3) doesn't really speak to me. I also saw gently used Yamahas U1 & U3 for a great price.

Then I came across the Perzina. I looked at the GP112 and GP122, which both seemed very interesting. There was also a baby grand (5 feet) which caught my eye. My big issue with Perzina is the lack of information. I've read just about everything I could find about them on this site and others, but it's all pretty unclear. I can't even get a straight answer on which model grand I saw because every site (blue book, piano buyer, etc) all have conflicting information. The store information says G151BB, but most other sites only have 152's. The selling price is $10k, the piano looks beautiful and feels & sounds really nice...but I have no idea if this is a good deal or if for the money I should now be checking out other comparable 5' baby grands.

In a nutshell, these are my questions:

1) What about Perzina pianos? I know what all the websites say, but does anyone have one that they can share feedback on?

2) If I don't have a huge space, is a baby grand going to be too overpowering? Am I better off with an upright?

3) Yamaha, Essex, or Perzina?

I'm not a very technical player, and I'm sure whatever piano I end up buying will feel and sound fine once I stop comparing.

Any comments or feedback would be greatly appreciated!!
Thank you smile

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#2105216 - 06/20/13 05:47 AM Re: Yamaha, Essex, or Perzina? Upright or baby grand? [Re: HalleyMTL]  
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We recently bought a Yamaha middle-sized C3X grand. We listened to a few at the showroom and the technician there pointed out a range of voicings. We asked for ours to be voiced like the one that seemed to be in the "middle" for mellow/brightness.

It seemed nice over the first few days, but now we both think it's too bright. The first tune helped, removing some of the ringing from the bi- and tri-chords. It's still too bright however and I fear we've bought a piano that's too big or maybe too bright for the room.

The room is 15' x 10' x 8', by the way.

I will be putting some sound absorbing on the ceiling as I'm pretty sure the room has significant echo/reverb. And after the next tune, I'll probably consider getting its voicing changed a bit.

I'll let you know how it goes; although it might be a few months before I know.

I'm suffering some left-ear tinnitus and that might prompt me to speed things up though. I wish I could be sure as to whether the tinnitus has been there but unnoticed for a while (it's not severe thank heavens) or whether the loud piano has brought it on. I am slowly learning to play more softly having transitioned from a small upright.

Last edited by jdeacon; 06/20/13 05:50 AM.

Yamaha C3X SH
#2105302 - 06/20/13 11:21 AM Re: Yamaha, Essex, or Perzina? Upright or baby grand? [Re: HalleyMTL]  
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Originally Posted by HalleyMTL
Hi everyone,

Howdy!

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2) If I don't have a huge space, is a baby grand going to be too overpowering? Am I better off with an upright?


Not necessarily. If a grand will fit in the room, that would be my choice. I don't think they are louder than an upright. A grand can be played quietly, some small uprights can be very loud.

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3) Yamaha, Essex, or Perzina?


I purchased an Essex EUP-111 for my girlfriend. It's a good piano, not an outstanding piano, but a good one. Nice tone in the bass, actually. A bit loud but there's lots of hard surfaces around it. It holds a tuning very well. A cousin who has an old spinet played it and she thinks it's just a marvelous piano.


Gary
Essex EUP-111 at the mountains
W. Hoffmann T-122 at the beach
#2110965 - 07/01/13 03:10 AM Re: Yamaha, Essex, or Perzina? Upright or baby grand? [Re: de cajon]  
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Originally Posted by jdeacon
... Yamaha C3X grand ...

I will be putting some sound absorbing on the ceiling as I'm pretty sure the room has significant echo/reverb. And after the next tune, I'll probably consider getting its voicing changed a bit.

I'll let you know how it goes; although it might be a few months before I know...


Well, the sound-absorbing celing tiles are up. I just bought a box of eight 1200x600x30 mm tiles and spaced them across the ceiling. The don't look at all bad. They're a white facing on some kind of spun yellow material, with bevelled edges.

There seems to be a significant reduction in reverberation. I'm quite pleased. I'm still thinking I'll try and get the piano voiced towards mellower in a few months once it's settled a bit more though.

Next (will there be no end?) it's some baffles for the bottom heads of the drum kit! The top heads already have practice pads. I reckon the tiles must have worked as I can now hear the drums resonating whilst playing the piano! - fair enough I guess - the bottom heads are known as the resonant heads.


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#2110987 - 07/01/13 04:58 AM Re: Yamaha, Essex, or Perzina? Upright or baby grand? [Re: HalleyMTL]  
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Perzina 151 is the old model, the new is GBT 152.


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