Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2.5 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!


SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Virtual Sheet Music
Download Sheet Music Instantly
Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads
Sheet Music...
(ad)
Accu-Tuner
Sanderson Accu-Tuner
(125ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Modern Piano Moving
Modern Piano Moving
(ad)
Piano Buyer Guide
Piano Buyer Spring 2017
(ad)
Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restorations and sales
Who's Online Now
93 registered members (anotherscott, Almaviva, 36251, Averasboro, accordeur, 20 invisible), 1,715 guests, and 12 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords & Scales
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
#2103465 - 06/16/13 06:12 PM Piano Keyboard Split  
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 21
Omer Eilam Offline
Full Member
Omer Eilam  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 21
Hi all,

I want to be able to split my upright piano keyboard into mid-lows and mid-highs, then add some effects only on the latter.
I tried to achieve this by setting a Hi-Pass filter but many of the low notes still leak into the mid-high range.
So, I thought that the best thing would be to use a barrier set in between the two mics that will prevent sound from the high notes leaking into the low mic and vice versa.
I read quite a bit about the Jecklin disk. Although it's meant for a totally different purpose I figured that perhaps if I put the disk close to the piano strings I would be able to achieve a nice separation between L and R.

I'd appreciate any kind of feedback and further suggestions on how I might be able to do this.

Thanks!
omer

(ad) ROLAND

Click Here

#2103479 - 06/16/13 06:51 PM Re: Piano Keyboard Split [Re: Omer Eilam]  
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 10,948
Rickster Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Rickster  Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 10,948
Georgia, USA
Hi Omer, and welcome to Piano World.

You will likely get more response to your thread on the "Digital Piano Forum" here on PW. PW consists of several different forums.

Here is the link to the digital forum. http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubb...al%20Pianos%20-%20Synths%20&%20.html

If you'd like, I'll move the thread to the digital forum for you.

Best regards,

Rick


Piano enthusiast and amateur musician: "Treat others the way you would like to be treated". Yamaha C7. YouTube Channel
#2103556 - 06/16/13 09:35 PM Re: Piano Keyboard Split [Re: Omer Eilam]  
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 5,521
Del Offline
5000 Post Club Member
Del  Offline
5000 Post Club Member

Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 5,521
Olympia, Washington
Originally Posted by Omer Eilam
I want to be able to split my upright piano keyboard into mid-lows and mid-highs, then add some effects only on the latter.
I tried to achieve this by setting a Hi-Pass filter but many of the low notes still leak into the mid-high range.
So, I thought that the best thing would be to use a barrier seta in between the two mics that will prevent sound from the high notes leaking into the low mic and vice versa.
I read quite a bit about the Jecklin disk. Although it's meant for a totally different purpose I figured that perhaps if I put the disk close to the piano strings I would be able to achieve a nice separation between L and R.

I'd appreciate any kind of feedback and further suggestions on how I might be able to do this.

You might be able to do this with more sophisticated filtering but probably not with microphones alone.

One problem is that, when struck, piano strings vibrate across a fairly wide frequency spectrum. A struck bass string can produce significant sound energy well up into the mid-range and treble bands. The sounds produced by the piano soundboard are not generated at a single point on the soundboard but over a relatively broad area of the panel. Microphones are going to pick up whatever is there in a frequency indiscriminate manner; if it is there it's going to be picked up regardless of the fundamental pitch of the specific note(s) being played.

As suggested, you may get further on the digital forum.

ddf


Delwin D Fandrich
Piano Research, Design & Manufacturing Consultant
ddfandrich@gmail.com
(To contact me privately please use this e-mail address.)

Stupidity is a rare condition, ignorance is a common choice. --Anon
#2103642 - 06/17/13 02:05 AM Re: Piano Keyboard Split [Re: Rickster]  
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 21
Omer Eilam Offline
Full Member
Omer Eilam  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 21
Originally Posted by Rickster
Hi Omer, and welcome to Piano World.

You will likely get more response to your thread on the "Digital Piano Forum" here on PW. PW consists of several different forums.

Here is the link to the digital forum. http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubb...al%20Pianos%20-%20Synths%20&%20.html

If you'd like, I'll move the thread to the digital forum for you.

Best regards,

Rick


Thanks for the warm welcome Rick.
And sure, go ahead and move the thread (I just hope I can find it later ;-) ...)

(ad)
Piano & Music Accessories
piano accessories music gifts tuning and moving equipment
#2103643 - 06/17/13 02:07 AM Re: Piano Keyboard Split [Re: Del]  
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 21
Omer Eilam Offline
Full Member
Omer Eilam  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 21
Originally Posted by Del
Originally Posted by Omer Eilam
I want to be able to split my upright piano keyboard into mid-lows and mid-highs, then add some effects only on the latter.
I tried to achieve this by setting a Hi-Pass filter but many of the low notes still leak into the mid-high range.
So, I thought that the best thing would be to use a barrier seta in between the two mics that will prevent sound from the high notes leaking into the low mic and vice versa.
I read quite a bit about the Jecklin disk. Although it's meant for a totally different purpose I figured that perhaps if I put the disk close to the piano strings I would be able to achieve a nice separation between L and R.

I'd appreciate any kind of feedback and further suggestions on how I might be able to do this.

You might be able to do this with more sophisticated filtering but probably not with microphones alone.

One problem is that, when struck, piano strings vibrate across a fairly wide frequency spectrum. A struck bass string can produce significant sound energy well up into the mid-range and treble bands. The sounds produced by the piano soundboard are not generated at a single point on the soundboard but over a relatively broad area of the panel. Microphones are going to pick up whatever is there in a frequency indiscriminate manner; if it is there it's going to be picked up regardless of the fundamental pitch of the specific note(s) being played.

As suggested, you may get further on the digital forum.

ddf


I totally understand what you mean. Any idea on what might consist these sophisticated filters? For now I only tried a Hi Pass filter.


Moderated by  Piano World 

Piano Acc. & Gift Items in
Piano World's Online Store
In PianoSupplies.com ,(a division of Piano World) our online store for piano and music gifts and accessories, party goods, tuning equipment, piano moving equipment, benches, lamps Caster Cups and more.


Free Shipping on Jansen Artist Piano Benches
ad
Pierce Piano Atlas


(ad)
Pianoteq
Grotrian Concert
Royal
for Pianoteq out now
(ad)
A. Geyer Pianos
A. Geyer Pianos
What's Hot!!
Why Do You Play The Piano?
-------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
-------------------
Piano Classified Ads
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Sympathetic vibrations
by DonHillPianos. 05/22/17 09:54 PM
Attack In England - Multiple Deaths
by Piano World. 05/22/17 09:46 PM
broken arpeggio scales/fingerings
by sonnichs. 05/22/17 09:36 PM
State of Continuous Pedaling with DPs
by Rador. 05/22/17 07:25 PM
Kawai VPC1 to control MP7?
by phosita. 05/22/17 05:51 PM
(ad)
Sheet Music Plus
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
Forum Statistics
Forums44
Topics179,822
Posts2,628,862
Members87,851
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Report Problems With New Forums
Report Problems with New Forums Here!
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2017 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0