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Kawai CA-65... check #2095247
06/04/13 12:42 PM
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So, today, I did something incredibly difficult for a person like me, I went to the big city close to the little place where I live (the big city is Lyon in France, so, big is relative I guess smile )
The store where I went (which was luckily for me very close to the train station) didn't have the CA-65 in exhibition but a CA-95 which was fine since my main concern was the keybed and it's common to both model.
I will not post a long review since I am really a beginner (and currently have hands problems on top of it) so I really don't want to influence anyone's purchase decision smile
A few things I can say though because they are what I really wanted to check:
- the very long keys are really a very good thing, on both, the white and black keys you can press very close to the fallboard without much more effort than at the edge of the keys.
- the spacing between the black keys is slightly wider than on my yamaha P155 (maybe one millimeter) allowing me to comfortably put my fingers between them.
- you don't have to press like a crazy to maintain the key down after you played the note, and like on a real piano, the "virtual" dampers only go back on the strings when the key is about five millimeter up (which is a VERY good thing, a lot less tension that way I figure).
- I won't really talk about the sound, I tested it with a very basic headphone while at home I am used to a fairly high end one (Sennheiser HD800) so it can make a world of a difference (checking the sound from the speakers was pointless since it was a CA-95 while I bought a CA-65)
End result... I ordered a rosewood CA-65 which will arrive on Monday (delivery and assembly assured by the owner of the store, rosewood bench included without me having to ask).
So I am very happy, and also very happy to have bought in a local store smile

Last edited by Jean-Luc; 06/04/13 12:47 PM.

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Re: Kawai CA-65... check [Re: Jean-Luc] #2095254
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Congratulations Jean-Luc, the CA65 is a wonderful instrument! Hope you have many good times with it. I too find the key action superb! Hope you post us some pictures when it arrives and is all set up. thumb


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Great to hear. Please check in with us after you have owned it for a while and let us know how one feels about it after owning it for a while. I know we'd all be interested in both the pluses and minuses that don't get noticed until you have had it for a while.

Re: Kawai CA-65... check [Re: Jean-Luc] #2095293
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Oh, so you have finally taken the plunge, Jean-Luc? smile Well, congratulations then. Who knows, maybe you will even receive it sooner than I will smile since I have yet to hear a beep from the spedition company that is supposed to deliver mine.

Oh well, gotta be patient a while longer.


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Learning to play the piano since 06/2013 on a Kawai CA-95.

Music is what feelings sound like. ~ Author Unknown
Re: Kawai CA-65... check [Re: Jean-Luc] #2095296
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Thank you to both of you smile
Yes, I will certainly try to post some pictures but I must admit my flat is in a dear need of reparation so it might not be pretty smile
I will most certainly post my impression once I know the keyboard a bit better (and if my hands get better too). But the first impression was very good and I must also say that the piano is also aesthetically very pleasing (I saw the black version but ordered the rosewood one). For someone who is used to a slab type piano, sitting at the CA-95 (CA-65 will be roughly the same) feels great, you almost believe it's a "real" piano smile
Right now of course I am between excitation and and a bit of "Am I crazy" feeling (it's a whole lot of money for me and with my weird hands I don't know if I will be able to play or have to give up entirely in a few months)
I guess we all have this feeling after a big purchase, not really buyers remorse but more a "was it really reasonable" interrogation smile


- Please, forgive my bad English smile

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you did it...Lucky man ! thumb


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Yeah, I actually did like the rosewood finish on the CA-95 a lot more than on the CLP-470 that was standing right across from it. Good choice. thumb


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Learning to play the piano since 06/2013 on a Kawai CA-95.

Music is what feelings sound like. ~ Author Unknown
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Hello Imyself smile I really hope you will be able to have yours soon !
For the little time I have spent on it (and as far as I am really able to judge, that is the "comfort" side) the action was really wonderful. As I mentioned earlier, what really impressed me is the fact that with your finger almost touching the fallboard, the keys are as easily depressed as when you are at the very edge.
Clayman, you will probably get it a little bit earlier than I will smile But I guess it's the same for you as it is for me, time seems to be suspended smile

Oh, something I didn't mention btw, but the price (without any kind of negotiation and with the bench offered without me having to ask for it) was only €2270 so not really much more expensive than on the internet smile (and with the piano assembly assured by the shop owner)

Last edited by Jean-Luc; 06/04/13 04:07 PM.

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Originally Posted by Jean-Luc
Hello Imyself smile I really hope you will be able to have yours soon !
...
So do I smile

Minutes will seem you hours in the coming days ...
But in the end, it will be Christmas in June for You cool


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Congrats Jean-Luc!

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Congrats Jean-Luc!

Best of luck with your health too! wink

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Thank you very much ThatWasBrilliant and James smile


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Congratulations and welcome to the 65 club smile

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I always suspected Kawai stuff had a bigger gap between the black keys. It makes a big difference to playability. . . and my fingers aren`t that fat either . anybody else notice this?


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Thank you Pivotal smile
Peterws, yes, it was much easier for my fingers too (that and the longer lever of the grand feel action). I am not sure if it's common to all Kawai keyboard though, I also tried a CN-34 and it seems (emphasis on "seems") to me that the key spacing was more similar to my P155.
In fact, I don't really know if the key spacing is different, it seemed a bit like the sides of the black keys were even so slightly less "vertical" (tapered might be the right word) than on the yamaha (also maybe a tiny bit lower). In any case, it made playing between the black keys quiet a bit easier.

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Re: Kawai CA-65... check [Re: Jean-Luc] #2100849
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Little update :
My CA-65 was delivered to me yesterday. The delivery went well despite my stairway (well, luckily I didn't buy the CA-95, the person who made the delivery - who is also the piano shop owner - told me they couldn't have delivered it). In all case, I am happy I chose the (quasi) local shop since I had to deal with nice people who cared about what they were doing instead of a delivery company with people rushing to be able to make all the daily delivery. Besides, I paid almost the same price (€20 more) and I think I got a better service (the piano was assembled and tested and I got a nice bench on top of it).
Regarding the CA-65, it is obviously a beautiful instrument and I won't comment a lot on it since more qualified (and much better player) than me already have.
The only thing I will maybe comment on is the "pianissimo" problem. Like many other people before me, I noticed that very often, if I try to play very softly, nothing happen (to be honest it's actually correct since I get the same behavior from my teacher's acoustic). It's not really a problem, you just need to adjust to the feel of the piano (coming from a P155 - which is not a bad piano at all but a very "macho" one - it's a bit like ballerina who suddenly exchange army boots for dance shoes). One thing I noticed though, it's the fact while you can't seem to be able to play pianissimo from the escapement point but you can do it perfectly when you use the keyboard as a midi controller (you can go to the escapement point feel the resistance and when you overcome it, get a very nice pianissimo), so I guess it's not a hardware problem but rather something that could be changed if needed (maybe a setting in the virtual technician, I don't know yet smile )
And, while it's not as important as the musical side, I must say the CA-65 is also really a beautiful object, even in my home in dear need of renovation smile

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Congrats Jean-Luc!

20 Euros extra very well spent! wink

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Congrats Jean-Luc, that's a nice looking piano.

In regard to to playing pianissimo, it is possible to play very quietly with the CA65/CA95, it just take a lot of practise & efforts. After all, CA65/CA95 is sampled from the big Kawai EX 9' grand piano, and it does have big sounds. I find that it is easier to get to pp/ppp using the build in speaker/soundboard than using headphones.

I also enjoy the beautiful "singing" melodies when playing some of the songs from the classical/romantic era--the tones are just very beautiful.


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Félicitations! voilà un très bel objet... smile

What a nice piano !


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1.: Congrats (out of my envy, I am still waiting for delivery).

2.:
Originally Posted by Jean-Luc
So, today, I did something incredibly difficult for a person like me, I went to the big city close to the little place where I live (the big city is Lyon in France, so, big is relative I guess :))


I have to do the same adventure all the time, but it remains "something incredibly difficult for a person like me" indeed smile.

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