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Hi Maxim,

I apply a little of one type of glue to one surface, then a little of the other type to the other surface. Then, press together. But, do not use too much of either glue. Just enough to make a very thin cover on each piece.

Practice and experience will teach the correct amounts.

Thank you Loren D.
All 100% true
A cardboard shim is destroyed in the process a screwing of a pin. I specifically analyzed this process for more than 10 years ago. I installed the pin with a cardboard shim . A pin started to work it is necessary for keep the tone. A week later I twisted off it's again. And deleted a shim. Initially, I installed 3 mm. strip of cardboard, now it was little more a (1.5) mm. Where we had left it half (1.5) mm? I think part of the paper fibers were separated from a shim. It's (fibers ) was covered a hole of pinblock and a bush, partly of course. That is, we made a treatment of hairline cracks around the hole used the pulps. In this method, the soft shim loses the material from which is made to coat the hole and a bush. To increasing it's.
The only negative point. We do not know what destruction has a hole. In some cases, it is only necessary 2 mm. in other 4mm. Standard 3mm cardboard optimal for such repair. However, the technician must feel yourself the necessary thickness of the material. He feels it's when deletes a pin. As a pin start whistling during removing
Isaac is right, a distribution of cardboard fiber not the way it was done originally in a pinblock . This negatively. However, for such a cheap repair folk I consider acceptable

Hi, Joe. I see now

Yes, I think a hammering (pounding pins in) is poor practice. I have personally witnessed such a method. A pitch lasted less than six months. A pin had loose tighten. Loose pin been the neighboring but not that a pin which been hammered. I long time had think about it's. I found and did a cardboard shim

If we shall use method of tuning a upright piano (9-12), and grand piano (3-6), the stability of the pitch will be much longer time. I think so

As suggested, it is not worth pursue discussions with you.

WHY

But spanish man no left-handed. I'm think so he has many talks on native language about a level of a hammer (9-12)
Or I'm so that think about (9-12) is false?
http://www.heyy.tv/iBI9_Svc4flLC

Here are two videos where Englishman uses a similar technique (15-18) down tuning the grand piano. If we consider the construction of upright piano like an inverted grand piano here. Then technique tuning upright piano (9-12) is moving a handle up and the grand piano (15-18) down respectively.

http://youtu.be/4gcazZWB2uA
http://youtu.be/HT7-AeWcrxA

This show à too brutal listening then the ear is annoyed with ambient noises, as he say.

I hear no (much) tone work may be those are new strings that need to be exercised.

Interesting - I used to use that tuner in the 1990s when I lived just outside of Machester - he worked for Forsyth. They had sent another tuner but he did a crap job so I complained and got this guy. The parking ticket I received picking him up from the store (he's blind) was rescinded when I explained the situation! He still didn't do as good a job as the tuner we used to have when I was a child (the one doing the ladder of thirds sequence in the 1970s ).

Paul.

"Solid techniques that don't wear the pin block have been discussed at length in Max's other thread and I know some intelligent tuners have gained a lot from that discussion, even though others, it seems, haven't. That's the great thing about an international forum like this, thousands, if not millions of people can learn from the replies even if the original poster learns nothing. I am confident that there are (and will be when others read the archives in the future) enough tuners out there who can sort the wheat from the chaff and gain from these discussions.

Anybody aspiring to first class concert work will find it the easiest work they ever did if they will learn the most efficient ways of working. "



Hi troops, I would appreciate it if anyone can give links to some of these "solid techniques" for tuning and setting pins. Can't seem to find them. I received my tuning lever a week ago and am practicing daily tweaking notes (I wish to be an aural tuner) and loving it, Cheers for now.

Hi, MarkyRich.
Thanks for the kind words addressed to me. It is like a refreshing balm for my soul. Max has invented nothing new he has only substantiated that (9-12) is the method to be. Because Max works with oldest upright piano and use it's. I agree with you that "I know some intelligent tuners have gained a lot from that discussion, " Perhaps they do not agree and they could be express their point of view. Only in a dispute born truth, I'm think so. I got a lot of necessary and useful information here. I try to use it's in my practice. Despite the lack of time and my poor knowledge of English I'm still try reading more and trying to improve their own skills. Thank you to OUR forum!
Good luck in trying to tuning your piano. Try to comprehend in first time what you want and shall do before just will acts your practice. And try more theoretical justification subject of a temperament. You can make it, we believe in yours tuning, good luck.
Regards, Max

Hi,Paul. A touching story. Thank you. I do not quite understood you, were you satisfied with the services of Lewis tuner? Here verification of the work performed for a grand piano: http://youtu.be/sBKsXK5la7g

Hi,Isaac
Can be nor new strings but it's a hammers is hard without need rumpled?

That is interesting to see that video.

It is clear to me hey do not "listen" (at all, only at the stability of the string)
If I close my eyes I hear yet some resonant spots where I would have tuned the note. It may be just the moment where the tone is optimum due to NSL, but it does not seem to be taken in account there.

May still be taken into account their these resonances so, Isaac. Because the instrument displays the standard pitch. NSL is a "living" piano miking all that can be felt only a professional tuner

Not only Max, I think it can be heard, I analyzed a little more and some notes sound better the second time because they have been raised up a hair, hence probably a more tense NSL.

The intervals also are more musical after the second tuning, to me. Always those mistakes G# as I noticed with VT as well.

close your eyes and listen I can give the notes name later I have to go by now.

I shall make a try to test your words about "a more tense NSL" after second time

Max,


Here is your video of your piano tuning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92Z-iUuB2ko

In the end you are checking octaves and you call it "BEATLESS"?????


And this is supposed to be Temperament when piano is tuned:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6xTnXEZvzs&index=10&list=PL5-llYEcJG1XZZtbgURibrhd02WTSqzm-

What kind of tuning is it, it`s complete DISASTER!