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#2097040 - 06/06/13 02:17 PM Couple CA-65 questions  
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I was originally planning to get a VPC1, but now I'm considering the CA65.
1. Does anybody know the dimensions of the box it is shipped in? I need to see if it'll fit in the freight elevator at my apartment.
2. If I understand correctly, the CA-65 is shipped in a disassembled state, with the actual DP piece separate from the pieces of the cabinet. Is it feasible to use just this portion separately, somewhat like a slab-style DP? From what I can see, the pedals look like they're built into the cabinet, but are they removable?
3. Am I correct in assuming that for MIDI output, the damper pedal is continuous, whereas the other two are on/off?
4. How customizable are the user velocity curve settings? Could I theoretically get very close to the VPC1 curves by inputting them manually?
5. Does anybody know what the line levels are for in/out, and whether or not they're balanced?
6. The only difference between the CA65 and CA95 is the soundboard, correct?
7. From what I've been seeing, people are paying approximately $3000 for their CA65s. Is it possible to negotiate down to this price when ordering directly through Kawai, or would I have to go to a brick-and-mortar store? I can't seem to find anywhere else that sells online to the US.

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#2097047 - 06/06/13 02:23 PM Re: Couple CA-65 questions [Re: Ataraxiate]  
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The dimensions of the box are 72 cm x 68 cm x 160 cm (source Thomann)
For the other question I will leave the place to more qualified peoples smile


- Please, forgive my bad English smile

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#2097099 - 06/06/13 03:17 PM Re: Couple CA-65 questions [Re: Ataraxiate]  
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1 dunnobut its 108 kilo heavy and gets delivered on a pallet.
2 the slab piece weighs over 40 kilo. the pedals are built into the bottom part of the dp.
3 dunno
4 dunno
5 dunno
6 dunno
7 i order from a store. got a free delivery. a free bench worth 200 euro. and extra store warranty(they fix and tune acoustics too)


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#2097117 - 06/06/13 03:38 PM Re: Couple CA-65 questions [Re: Ataraxiate]  
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I have just ordered one.

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If I understand correctly, the CA-65 is shipped in a disassembled state, with the actual DP piece separate from the pieces of the cabinet. Is it feasible to use just this portion separately, somewhat like a slab-style DP? From what I can see, the pedals look like they're built into the cabinet, but are they removable?


The DP piece is so bulky that I wouldn't consider this as a practicable use for the DP.

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5. Does anybody know what the line levels are for in/out, and whether or not they're balanced?


Was my own question, I have got here the answer that practically all DPs have unbalanced I/O. It seems also plausible to me, the connectors are MONO jacks, a symmetrical line needs 3 wires, if I understood correctly.

There is no input line level controller knob. (One minor difference to the CA95).

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6. The only difference between the CA65 and CA95 is the soundboard, correct?

It was stated here frequently (confirmed by KJ), that this should be true, but I would stress out that the amp + normal speakers are also different (better in the CA95). Through a headphone they both should deliver the same sound (and sound quality). In the shop where I compared them I didn't have quite the same experience, but maybe the setting were also different.

I'll use it my Genelec boxes with a decent sub, with SW pianos, and I this should give at least the same sound quality than the CA95. I have a day and night difference compareing the CS9 (previous SoundBoard version) with the Genelecs only.

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#2097139 - 06/06/13 04:01 PM Re: Couple CA-65 questions [Re: shinegamix]  
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Originally Posted by Jean-Luc
The dimensions of the box are 72 cm x 68 cm x 160 cm (source Thomann)
For the other question I will leave the place to more qualified peoples smile

Neat, that should fit.
Originally Posted by shinegamix
1 dunnobut its 108 kilo heavy and gets delivered on a pallet.
2 the slab piece weighs over 40 kilo. the pedals are built into the bottom part of the dp.
3 dunno
4 dunno
5 dunno
6 dunno
7 i order from a store. got a free delivery. a free bench worth 200 euro. and extra store warranty(they fix and tune acoustics too)

I can't seem to find a reputable online dealer that sells in the US, unfortunately.
Originally Posted by Temperament
I have just ordered one.

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If I understand correctly, the CA-65 is shipped in a disassembled state, with the actual DP piece separate from the pieces of the cabinet. Is it feasible to use just this portion separately, somewhat like a slab-style DP? From what I can see, the pedals look like they're built into the cabinet, but are they removable?


The DP piece is so bulky that I wouldn't consider this as a practicable use for the DP.

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5. Does anybody know what the line levels are for in/out, and whether or not they're balanced?


Was my own question, I have got here the answer that practically all DPs have unbalanced I/O. It seems also plausible to me, the connectors are MONO jacks, a symmetrical line needs 3 wires, if I understood correctly.

There is no input line level controller knob. (One minor difference to the CA95).

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6. The only difference between the CA65 and CA95 is the soundboard, correct?

It was stated here frequently (confirmed by KJ), that this should be true, but I would stress out that the amp + normal speakers are also different (better in the CA95). Through a headphone they both should deliver the same sound (and sound quality). In the shop where I compared them I didn't have quite the same experience, but maybe the setting were also different.

I'll use it my Genelec boxes with a decent sub, with SW pianos, and I this should give at least the same sound quality than the CA95. I have a day and night difference compareing the CS9 (previous SoundBoard version) with the Genelecs only.


That's what I suspected, but I wasn't sure if they were TS or TRS jacks. The amp/speaker quality don't concern me too much, since I have a nice pair of studio monitors and headphones to use with them, plus I'll be using it with Ivory the majority of the time.

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#2097164 - 06/06/13 04:55 PM Re: Couple CA-65 questions [Re: Ataraxiate]  
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2. This unboxing video for the CA65 might be interesting to you, showing the various parts as shipped: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhhU4dhePLs

6. It looks like there are a few other small differences, aside from speakers and soundboard. From the table in this CA-series PDF (95 vs 65):

Voices: 80 vs 60
Demo Songs: 37 vs 34
Output Power: "45 W x 2 + 45 W transducer" vs "50W x 2"
Power Consumption: 55 W vs 45 W
Dimensions: 58” (W) x 19” (D) x 37” (H) - - vs - - 57” (W) x 19” (D) x 36” (H)
Weight: 192 lbs vs 161 lbs

#2097201 - 06/06/13 05:45 PM Re: Couple CA-65 questions [Re: Ataraxiate]  
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I'd be surprised if any of the pedals were simple on/off. I tested my Yamaha and it seems as though the soft pedal had varying levels based on pedal position. The Kawai-produced video I watched certainly gives the distinct impression that all three pedals are continuous.


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#2097248 - 06/06/13 07:32 PM Re: Couple CA-65 questions [Re: Ataraxiate]  
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From the unboxing video it would seem that you could:

- place the heavy 'slab' on a sturdy table stand;
- disassemble the pedal sub-assembly from the pedal board and reconnect the pedal sub-assembly to the 'slab' with the cable.

You would probably void the warranty if you did!

But interesting possibility to mount the 'slab' on a lower height and mount a synth just above it for making piano+ type of music while comfortably sitting down at normal height.


I am 'doremi' because I play scales smile
Had I progressed to playing chords,
I would be 'domisol' shocked
#2097251 - 06/06/13 07:35 PM Re: Couple CA-65 questions [Re: Ataraxiate]  
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1. Already answered by Jean-Luc.
2. No, this is not recommended.
3. The damper pedal is continuous, the soft and sostenuto pedals are not.
4. There are six preset velocity/touch curves, and two user-definable touch curves. However, there is no direct editor functionality as found on the VPC1.
5. Already answered by Temperament.
6. Already answered by fabius.
7. The CA models are only available for purchase online from KawaiUS.com. In order to negotiate terms and pricing, you will need to visit a dealer's store.

I hope this helps.

Kind regards,
James
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#2097455 - 06/06/13 10:33 PM Re: Couple CA-65 questions [Re: Ataraxiate]  
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Alrighty, thanks for the info, everyone. Luckily I found a dealer within 10 miles, so I can go try it out and have it delivered locally.

#2098488 - 06/08/13 07:07 AM Re: Couple CA-65 questions [Re: Ataraxiate]  
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Hi Ataraxiate,

Did you end up getting the CA-65 and if so, how are you enjoying it?
I myself have been looking at upgrading to either the CA-65 or CA-95 later this year and interested on what you think of it so far.

Cheers,
Alux


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#2098751 - 06/08/13 07:20 PM Re: Couple CA-65 questions [Re: Alux]  
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I have yet to hear about one buyer not being happy with the CA-65/95. I, myself, is the happy and proud owner of the CA-65. Can only recommend it!

/Bjarne

#2099076 - 06/09/13 12:52 AM Re: Couple CA-65 questions [Re: Ataraxiate]  
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Went to the local piano store to try it out, and I am definitely going to get one within short order.

#2102274 - 06/14/13 02:38 AM Re: Couple CA-65 questions [Re: Ataraxiate]  
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One last question:
I see from the instruction manual that it uses self-tapping screws. Does this mean that the assembly process is destructive? If so, how worried should I be about the possibility of stripping the hole if I'm, say, moving, and need to disassemble it? Are we talking particle board for the stand?

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#2104559 - 06/18/13 06:15 PM Re: Couple CA-65 questions [Re: Ataraxiate]  
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i was wondering where are the ca65 and ca95 made?


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#2104590 - 06/18/13 07:08 PM Re: Couple CA-65 questions [Re: Ataraxiate]  
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shinegamix, the CA65 and CA95 are produced at Kawai's digital piano facility in Indonesia.

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#2104727 - 06/19/13 03:14 AM Re: Couple CA-65 questions [Re: Ataraxiate]  
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Any chance we will ever see CA65/95 parameters (GF action and Virtual technician) in stage piano form ?


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#2104728 - 06/19/13 03:16 AM Re: Couple CA-65 questions [Re: Ataraxiate]  
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I'd say the chances are pretty high. wink

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#2104739 - 06/19/13 04:44 AM Re: Couple CA-65 questions [Re: Ataraxiate]  
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#2104925 - 06/19/13 03:10 PM Re: Couple CA-65 questions [Re: Ataraxiate]  
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what kind of material should i put between cabinet and floor (i have panels on it). Piece of thick carpet? You know, as for the avoid cabinet resonance and stuff..

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#2105171 - 06/20/13 01:35 AM Re: Couple CA-65 questions [Re: Ataraxiate]  
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@tomek I used a piece of thin carpet but it was more to protect the floor from the piano than the other way around. I suppose that if the piano sits firmly on the floor and there is no cavity underneath it, there should be no resonance in the piano itself. It's more likely the other pieces of furniture around the piano could suffer from resonance when playing ff.


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