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A good point. I am not disagreeing with you, but a question comes to mind: Do you think that a declaration of piano service affiliation in our signature really provides a meaningful solution? One may still feign credentials. It's as if some degree of vetting is needed, but how to do it is the question.

What needs to be in the signature and the reason for it are all explained in Frank's message.

It does help, especially when crafting an answer specifically to a professional, a student of the technology, an amateur, or a layperson.

Thanks, Semipro Tech. What you are saying is true enough, but it begs the question a bit. There again, my question may make no sense. That wouldn't be a first

Well there's a degree of trust involved, obviously. People could make things up. But if they stuck around for any length of time people would work it out. We've been on to BDB for years!

How could you not love a face like that.

I was thinking what some of you guys have said today while tuning. Nothing much else to do then think about stuff.

I had the fortune to tune a new grand with a well known name on the plate and a not so well known name on the fallboard. I thought to myself.. I bet I know why they don't want their name on that fallboard. Yes it seems they're hiding from something

Forgive me BDB but I had been reading Semipro as Sempiro. I imagined it was a little resort town somewhere warm. You don't come across as Semipro, you seem like one of the most knowledgable guys.

seem like a person that state regularly wrong things in "technology" with an appearance of professionalism.

You are just assuming that someone who has never picked up a tuning hammer may not understand a technical post. There are quite a few " the world is still flat" responses to people wanting to become involved with this trade which can cause issues later.

An example of this type of behavior would be Jay Leno going to a nursing home in Chicago to get a retired machinist to mill him some overdrive gears for one of his Duesenbergs. Why ? because people in this guys field kept telling others no you cannot do it or shutting younger machinsts out and then sooner or later only a few guys on the planet knew how.

Someone told me once that I couldn't build a boat because I had no experience, well I built a boat from mail order plans and sailed it to St Croix and back, lived on it for 6 years until someone begged me to sell it to them?? Huh? but didn't you say I couldn't do it?. I think any motivated person can do anything they desire to do with the right nudging.

Hello Mr. Oleg,

You mean, like my humor (intended, at least) post in the soundboard thread about grinding wires in the backscale and cutting the soundboard edges with a reciprocating saw to achieve better resonance? Yes, I am very sorry to have confused you and others possibly, so I will buy you dinner next time I am in your city if you would be inclined to make the time.

However, my signature did/does not include any professional affiliation, so the system works if followed.

Kind regards -

I think so , up to some point, but the key word here is documentation, plus a certain ability to work material as wood.

Documentation is rare and barely complete, or written in foreign language. I have seen 100/100 amators that could build pianos because of good documentation and maths inclined mind, added to a professional level in piano playing.

But just to find answers so the understanding is coherent it may take a decade or so.

Trainings helps then for practical things as tuning and regulation.
When one stop learning and decide he understood all then he is in trouble.
When he instruct others, then there are big traps.

I think so , up to some point, but the key word here is documentation, plus a certain ability to work material as wood.

Documentation is rare and barely complete, or written in foreign language. I have seen 100/100 amators that could build pianos because of good documentation and maths inclined mind, added to a professional level in piano playing.

But just to find answers so the understanding is coherent it may take a decade or so.

Trainings helps then for practical things as tuning and regulation. So to obtain a professional quality , as opposed to a good amatory level.
When one stop learning and decide he understood all then he is in trouble.
When he instruct others, then there are big traps.

Thank you. Yes. Realistically, anything more than status quo would probably take us beyond the scope and resources of a forum.

Interesting to observe today that for the most part the un-named and un-affiliated members have disappeared from the board.

Exactly how many sock puppets are running around in this place anyways?

Somewhat of a conspiracy theorist, Dan?

Some people tune for a living

I for one am totally made-up. Not real.

Just ask anyone who's met me...

Glue Collar Worker (can we call you GCW?),

I understand exactly what you're saying. Many of use have participated in other online forums, and have developed a habit of keeping personal details private. For a host of reasons, you don't usually want just anybody knowing your full name, where you live, or other personal information. It's an online safety precaution that has become second nature to a lot of us (and should be).

But Piano World is a little different - particularly the Tuner/Technician's forum. I realized pretty quickly that most people's names, general locations, occupation, background, etc. are fairly public information. And it actually makes sense when you think about it: most have websites already that display all of that information, and taking part in a professional forum is only sharing (or even "advertising") what is already public information. Like others have said though, it does make you think a little more about what you post (or at least it should). But I think that's a good thing as well.

With that said, I was one of the offenders for a few months - not having a signature at all. I am in the middle of working on a website, and I kept telling myself that I would update my signature with all of the information as soon as I have it online . . . needless to say, it's not done yet and I finally decided to get in compliance without further ado.

Jim, anyone from a town called Sandy Eggo is immediately on the suspect radar. We're ontaya!

Not suspect at all. He simply likes frozen waffles at the beach.

BenP, you are doing more than compliance asks, by listing your name and location. All you have to list for compliance is "part-time piano tech." I say this for Glue Collar Worker's benefit, who seems to be reacting as if he thinks the requirement to list professional status is stronger than it really is.