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No method book - write your own #2095084 06/04/13 06:20 AM
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This idea came to me the other day when I wondered what would work for the five year old I teach. I am using John Thompson book 1 with her, it happened to be the book she was working on with her last teacher. It doesn't seem to be working for her.

I've also noticed that she likes writing her own music... I've also been incorporating Kodaly and Orff into my teaching with her (if she doesn't play in time, I get her to stand up and sing it with me whilst patting her lap to keep a beat - or I play the piece, and she walks to it, then I get her to tap the rhythm whilst I am playing it.)

I've also noticed that her fingers are small and don't have as much strength as the fingers of my older students... so when I started teaching her technique, I assigned three finger exercises, not five finger exercises.

Sometimes I will assign 8 bar pieces that I write out and rather than starting with sustained notes (as the John Thompson method states) I start with crotchets and quavers (since they are easier to clap and to say).

The other day I came up with the idea to completely ditch the method book and to just write my own method book in a way that is tailor-made to her technical abilities, and also allows her to compose a little (she write short 4 bar melodies and shows them to me... so I was thinking of writing 4 bars and then having her write the next four bars by the end of the lesson.)

Another thing I thought might be handy to have in this book are practice charts, and some theory worksheets glued in, also to allow it to kind of be a general creative book (she can draw pictures around the pieces, I tend to get my younger students to draw pictures when it comes to things like programmatic music and interpreting it)

Does anybody on the forum write music for their own students?

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Re: No method book - write your own [Re: Nannerl Mozart] #2095158 06/04/13 09:10 AM
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Yes, I've been writing left-hand boot camp and right hand boot camp, as I'm fed up with the books that make a hand sit idle in position on the keyboard, thus teaching shoulder and back strain. It'll be a while before it replaces published books.

My First Piano Adventures is good for young'uns.

Re: No method book - write your own [Re: Nannerl Mozart] #2095182 06/04/13 10:04 AM
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I have never been tempted to write my own method book as there are so many great ones out there that cater for all kinds of students. You can mix and match methods and supplement with other materials as well as make up suitable exercises for each individual. But the books we have available now have been very carefully planned and thought out so it makes sense to use them where possible. That's not to say that you shouldn't write your own book, each to their own really.


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Re: No method book - write your own [Re: Nannerl Mozart] #2095286 06/04/13 12:42 PM
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I keep seeing this issue coming up in various forums, facebook and the such.

Ok, I see the point and certainly I write my own stuff for my students (being a composer, and a pianist, etc).

But, if I may steer the discussion to another place: Sometimes I feel a little weird, with all those teachers working on their own methods, or piano works. Most (not talking about this case. I don't know about this case) do not have much knowledge on composition, and sometimes it painfully shows...

This is probably a reminder that music, IS music. And so many methods are missing this, in favor of pure technique... If one is to write a method (for younger or older students) do take care of the music part as well, please! smile

Re: No method book - write your own [Re: Nannerl Mozart] #2095304 06/04/13 12:55 PM
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Why reinvent the wheel? There are courses designed to do exactly what you are aiming to do, and for areas you want to emphasize, you add your own thing or other published things.

Check out Celebrate Piano or My First Piano Adventure.


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Re: No method book - write your own [Re: Nannerl Mozart] #2095340 06/04/13 01:47 PM
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Hi, I'm a parent. My 5 year old son was started on the John Thompson's method and it was not the proper introduction for him, so we switched teachers and the new teacher used Music for Little Mozart's (Book B, or the second book). I would recommend this book for a 5 year old. It starts out with some pre-reading then introduces the staff. After the staff was introduced, we worked from the Thompson book and the Music for Little Mozart's book until the Little Mozart book was complete. She gives him 3-5 assignments a week, so this process took around 3 months. He also had a Music Tree activity book. He can now read the 9 notes in the middle C position (including 2 note chords) with no trouble and count quarter, half, dotted half, and whole notes. Right now, he is wrapping up the Thompson book and having some supplemental work from one of the Faber Primer level books. You don't need to necessarily ditch the traditional methods, but (some?many?most?) 5 year olds need more support than Thompson's method, and like you intend on doing, "pasting" some parts and pieces of things together is something that my son's current teacher has done.

Re: No method book - write your own [Re: Nannerl Mozart] #2096827 06/06/13 07:55 AM
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Minnemay, I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel... let me put it his way - I am not completely dissing other courses and methods - I'm just cutting and pasting what I think works best for the student and myself.

Missmommypian - again I'm not ditching traditional books... I'm yes, 'pasting' other books, and also getting my own student to compose - since she is already so interested in doing it.

Re: No method book - write your own [Re: Nannerl Mozart] #2096847 06/06/13 08:42 AM
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Nannerl, what you are doing for this student is superb. Be sure to keep copies of everything you craft, for future use or even possible publication!


Re: No method book - write your own [Re: Nannerl Mozart] #2097169 06/06/13 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Nannerl Mozart
This idea came to me the other day when I wondered what would work for the five year old I teach. I am using John Thompson book 1 with her, it happened to be the book she was working on with her last teacher. It doesn't seem to be working for her.

I've also noticed that she likes writing her own music... I've also been incorporating Kodaly and Orff into my teaching with her (if she doesn't play in time, I get her to stand up and sing it with me whilst patting her lap to keep a beat - or I play the piece, and she walks to it, then I get her to tap the rhythm whilst I am playing it.)

I've also noticed that her fingers are small and don't have as much strength as the fingers of my older students... so when I started teaching her technique, I assigned three finger exercises, not five finger exercises.

Sometimes I will assign 8 bar pieces that I write out and rather than starting with sustained notes (as the John Thompson method states) I start with crotchets and quavers (since they are easier to clap and to say).

The other day I came up with the idea to completely ditch the method book and to just write my own method book in a way that is tailor-made to her technical abilities, and also allows her to compose a little (she write short 4 bar melodies and shows them to me... so I was thinking of writing 4 bars and then having her write the next four bars by the end of the lesson.)

Another thing I thought might be handy to have in this book are practice charts, and some theory worksheets glued in, also to allow it to kind of be a general creative book (she can draw pictures around the pieces, I tend to get my younger students to draw pictures when it comes to things like programmatic music and interpreting it)

Does anybody on the forum write music for their own students?

I do.

But it takes a LONG time to do it, and I do hesitate a second to use any book in any method book if I there is something there that works.


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