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Just to try and redress the balance from my previous thread. What is the best version of Rachmaninovs piano concerto ?


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I find Van Cliburn's live 1958 Carnegie Hall performance to be the most exciting.

Recording quality is a bit crap, though, and the audience sounds like it is suffering a collective TB outbreak.


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Does there have to be a "best"? And "best" by what/whose standards? There are many very good and excellent recordings which deserve to be listened to; I don't see what is served by trying to isolate a very - and totally - subjective "best."

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Horowitz's 1951 recording with Reiner is white-hot, but perhaps a little nervous. Recently I've been obsessing over pirated Sokolov recordings, one with the BBC Phil and Tortelier and another with Gergiev and what is now the Mravinsky Theatre Orch... they are just incredible.

I am excited to devote some time to the Cliburn; I too have heard that it is wonderful. I have a copy on vinyl, so the digitization process is like enforced listening time =D

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Originally Posted by BruceD
Does there have to be a "best"? And "best" by what/whose standards? There are many very good and excellent recordings which deserve to be listened to; I don't see what is served by trying to isolate a very - and totally - subjective "best."

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I am always interested what other music lovers find excites them and what performances they like. So there doesn't always have to be one best version, just the best version for you.

I too like the Van Cliburn version. The first recording I ever owned was the Yevgeny Mogilevsky version with the Moscow PO and Kiril Kondrashin on Melodyia. Sadly I have not been able to track down a cd version.
Kondrashin was conductor on the Van Cliburn recording I believe.


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I love the Emil Gilels recording... I think it's EMI but no other information comes to mind right now. Sorry for the lack of details...

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This is a tough question. All the names I could possibly give have already been mentioned. So I'm going to say Jorge Bolet.


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Ashkenazy/Haitink


Now that's an interesting one !.........Askenazy and Fistoulari 1964 version also on Decca is good.i am not to sure about the recoding he made with Ormandy though. I quite the vet.sion with Previn.


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Originally Posted by Drunk3nFist
This is a tough question. All the names I could possibly give have already been mentioned. So I'm going to say Jorge Bolet.


Interesting tempi in the last movement .


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Re: Best recorded version of Rachmaninov piano con no.3 [Re: Sir Monty Golfear] #1878633
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I think I went through 6 different CDs trying to find the one I liked (and given away most of them). And this is, to me, is hands-down number one.

Ashkenazy and Fistoulari (and Kondrashin for #2)

http://www.amazon.com/Rachmaninov-P..._1?ie=UTF8&qid=1334297972&sr=8-1

I actually prefer #2 over #3, but this performance, is far the best I've heard, both in terms of technical mastery and musicality. interplay between the orchestra and the piano is just breathtaking. After hearing this one, I can't listen to any others anymore. To me, it just sings.

It was when Ashkenazy was in the 20's, I think he just won the Tchaikovsky Competition or something and you can hear that he is young and just.. superb.

only drawback is that the original recording was back in 1963, so there's some limitation in the digital transfer of the sound, but it's worth a listen.

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There are a few performers that I love with Rach 3, but Horowitz, simply owns the concerto. Even the later live recording with all the bad notes, etc. is so much better than anything else I've heard.



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The recording I currently like the most is something I got from a recording of a performance that was broadcast but never commercially released, even though at the time it seems there were plans for that. Garrick Ohlsson is the pianist and Ashkenazy is conducting the Sydney orchestra. There's a good deal of electricity flowing between conductor and pianist, and the performance as a whole has a great overall flow and shape. But what really makes it special is the incredible amount of small detail and nuance that Ohlsson finds in the piece. He's been playing it since he learned it as a teen (in some ridiculously short amount of time - I forget what it was exactly, but it was like in a week or so), so he has had plenty of time to internalize it to the max.

I haven't heard the recent recording Ohlsson made with Spano and the Atlanta orchestra, but it's been getting some rave reviews that talk about similar attention to detail, so I expect it's along the same lines as what I heard.


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Originally Posted by akita
I think I went through 6 different CDs trying to find the one I liked (and given away most of them). And this is, to me, is hands-down number one.

Ashkenazy and Fistoulari (and Kondrashin for #2)

http://www.amazon.com/Rachmaninov-P..._1?ie=UTF8&qid=1334297972&sr=8-1

I actually prefer #2 over #3, but this performance, is far the best I've heard, both in terms of technical mastery and musicality. interplay between the orchestra and the piano is just breathtaking. After hearing this one, I can't listen to any others anymore. To me, it just sings.

It was when Ashkenazy was in the 20's, I think he just won the Tchaikovsky Competition or something and you can hear that he is young and just.. superb.

only drawback is that the original recording was back in 1963, so there's some limitation in the digital transfer of the sound, but it's worth a listen.



According to what I heard on a BBC radio broadcast comparing different recordings of the Rach 3 , Ashkenazy did the recording in one take !.........


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Originally Posted by stores
There are a few performers that I love with Rach 3, but Horowitz, simply owns the concerto. Even the later live recording with all the bad notes, etc. is so much better than anything else I've heard.


There is something magical about that version with Ormandy . I remember watching the live broadcast . It was very special.


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Has anyone got an opinion on Stephen Hough's version with Andrew Litton ?


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I certainly won't say it's the best, but the recording of both the 2nd and 3rd concertos by Yefim Bronfman, with Esa-Pekka Salonen conducting, is as solid as anyone's. Some have criticized his performance as too "genteel", but I disagree. Bronfman's a big guy, and I think he delivers all the power and passion Rachy would've wanted. The technical quality of the recording is equally excellent.

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Originally Posted by Sir Monty Golfear
Just to try and redress the balance from my previous thread. What is the best version of Rachmaninovs piano concerto ?


Hey, knock it off with redressing the balance, and get busy with that next Molotov. This thread's got 17 replies and the previous "unbalanced" one's got 98. So much for balance. grin

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Originally Posted by Sir Monty Golfear
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There are a few performers that I love with Rach 3, but Horowitz, simply owns the concerto. Even the later live recording with all the bad notes, etc. is so much better than anything else I've heard.


There is something magical about that version with Ormandy . I remember watching the live broadcast . It was very special.


I agree. It was, indeed, very special. I remember watching the same broadcast...I was riveted to that screen! Cheered like helll in the living room too!



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Originally Posted by BruceD
Does there have to be a "best"? And "best" by what/whose standards? There are many very good and excellent recordings which deserve to be listened to; I don't see what is served by trying to isolate a very - and totally - subjective "best."

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Originally Posted by Old Man
I certainly won't say it's the best, but the recording of both the 2nd and 3rd concertos by Yefim Bronfman, with Esa-Pekka Salonen conducting, is as solid as anyone's. Some have criticized his performance as too "genteel", but I disagree. Bronfman's a big guy, and I think he delivers all the power and passion Rachy would've wanted. The technical quality of the recording is equally excellent.


I've got that recording it is very good. I have a lot of respect for Yefim Bronfman. His Beethoven cycle with David Zinman is a favourite of mine too.



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Originally Posted by Old Man
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Just to try and redress the balance from my previous thread. What is the best version of Rachmaninovs piano concerto ?


Hey, knock it off with redressing the balance, and get busy with that next Molotov. This thread's got 17 replies and the previous "unbalanced" one's got 98. So much for balance. grin


I've got another one on its way !!..lol


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Originally Posted by stores
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There are a few performers that I love with Rach 3, but Horowitz, simply owns the concerto. Even the later live recording with all the bad notes, etc. is so much better than anything else I've heard.


There is something magical about that version with Ormandy . I remember watching the live broadcast . It was very special.


I agree. It was, indeed, very special. I remember watching the same broadcast...I was riveted to that screen! Cheered like helll in the living room too!


Shame it isn't on YouTube. There is a version with Zubin Metha on there, but I would love to see that Ormandy broadcast....it was broadcast in simulcast by the BBC, I remember sitting there with my headphones on listening to the FM broadcast whilst watching the television.......how things have moved on!.........I was ecstatic too after the performance. I have the cd, it evokes those very special memories.


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My favorites are Lazar Berman, Arcadi Volodos, and Denis Matuev.

Could we please put an end to these "Best", "Worst", "Greatest", "Fastest" et al threads? Perhaps "Your Favorite" or Your Most Enjoyable" would be better qualifiers.

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Rubinstein once said that every interpretation brings sth new, sth exceptional. It does not have to be perfect but sometimes in those little differences there is a completely new world to discover. Thus, there is not any the best interpretations.

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Same as common sentiments, certain parts I like best from certain recordings, thus no "favourite" complete recording of the piece. But if I have to choose a complete recording of all three movements, I will choose, in no particular order, Ashkenazy's (1963), Horowitz's (1951) and Rachmaninoff's.

I'm not a Horowitz fanatic, but for this piece I gravitate back to him in the end after years of listening. More than anything else, VH had the ability to phrase pieces to clearly enunciate structures with points of climax, amplified further by his lengendary tone colours and imposing dynamics. This very well suited Rachmaninoff's own approach to composition concerning building pieces around "points of climax" to give them structure.

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Re-posting my favourites:

(all live performances)

Kapell/MacMillan (1948)
Kapell/Heinze (1953)
Horowitz/Rodzinksi (1944) {unfortunately truncated}
Horowitz/Barbirolli (1941)
Bolet/Webb (1969)
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Janis/Munch (1957); the studio is quite different.


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