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Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: Mark_C] #2090008
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This year the scoring's pass/fail: Each judge chooses 12 contestants to advance and 3 "next best", and whoever is chosen by the most advances.

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Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan] #2090009
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good try for Huangci to play the sleeping beauty, but she's no equal of Bozhanov's (on YT).

Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: kcostell] #2090010
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Originally Posted by kcostell
This year the scoring's pass/fail: Each judge chooses 12 contestants to advance and 3 "next best", and whoever is chosen by the most advances.

Thank you! Are you saying that's official, and that's all -- i.e. there are no longer any numerical scores for each candidate? If so, indeed that avoids the problem I talked about.
(And I'll edit out the wrong stuff from the previous post.)

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Originally Posted by kcostell
This year the scoring's pass/fail: Each judge chooses 12 contestants to advance and 3 "next best", and whoever is chosen by the most advances.

Thank you! Are you saying that's official, and that's all -- i.e. there are no longer any numerical scores for each candidate? If so, indeed that avoids the problem I talked about.
(And I'll edit out the wrong stuff from the previous post.)

This should help:

http://www.cliburn.org/cliburn-competition/about-the-competition/jury/voting-procedures/


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Here's an interview where Giordano (the jury chair) discusses the scoring this year.

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Thank you, Marty and Kcostell.
Meanwhile also I had found this article that refers to "the new 'pass/fail' scoring system." Apparently it is new this year.

Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan] #2090017
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Good start for our Scipione! smile I like ther power he is conveying to the Sonata...

Re: 2013 Van Cliburn International Piano Competition Megathread [Re: Brendan] #2090018
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I like his Beethoven except he's laying on the pedal too thickly.

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Originally Posted by Eduard Hanslick
Originally Posted by Brendan
The choices seem pretty clear so far....

I would take out Garritson and Gillham and insert Kholodenko and Sunwoo in there....

P.S. Someone I didn't hear but thought (from the comments on this thread) would get more consideration is KOZIAK -- not being mentioned by anyone yet for the next round.

Originally Posted by Eduard Hanslick
I like [Scipione's] Beethoven except he's laying on the pedal too thickly.

+1

This hit me over the head right away -- in that passage starting at measure 12, where he pedaled through the 2nd and 4th beats. But this is darn good -- he's doing A LOT of terrific things. If he doesn't advance, I have to say he's darn good for someone who doesn't advance. smile

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Koziak's on my own list of people I want to see advancing (along with Sangiovanni, Kholodenko, Chernov, Chen, and Dumont), but I'm not sure if I'd put him on the list of people I think will advance.

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Originally Posted by Eduard Hanslick
Originally Posted by Brendan
The choices seem pretty clear so far....

I would take out Garritson and Gillham and insert Kholodenko and Sunwoo in there....

P.S. Someone I didn't hear but thought (from the comments on this thread) would get more consideration is KOZIAK -- not being mentioned by anyone yet for the next round....


True. He played so long ago that I'd almost forgotten him. His first recital was Chopin/Szymanowski/Rachmaninov; next he turns to Beethoven and Brahms, so we'll get to hear a different era.

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This piano has such a liquidy sound he barely needs any pedal at all. Ack, he's drowning this puppy.

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Originally Posted by Brendan
The choices seem pretty clear so far:

Huangci
Rana
Mndoyants
Garritson
Taverna
Khozyainov
Gillham
Chernov
Chen
Dumont
Favorin

Wildcard 12th spot: either Kholodenko or Sunwoo



Put in Kholodenko, Sunwoo, Poliykov
Take out Taverna, Gillham, Favorin/Garritson

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Originally Posted by Eduard Hanslick
This piano has such a liquidy sound he barely needs any pedal at all. Ack, he's drowning this puppy.


He also got a teeny bit sloppy in the last movement. Minus the overpedaling, I liked most of what he did.

This Franck is a beautiful piece, why do we never hear it?

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Originally Posted by Eduard Hanslick
....This Franck is a beautiful piece, why do we never hear it?

Come to the amateur competitions and you'll hear it your share! smile
Not a whole lot, but several contestants have played it.

And I think it does get played a fair amount in recital.

(BTW, I had forgotten about Franck when I did this post on the Clementi thread.....just added him.)

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i like this Italian guy so far, good Beethoven and Franck!

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Originally Posted by Mark_C
Originally Posted by Eduard Hanslick
....This Franck is a beautiful piece, why do we never hear it?

Come to the amateur competitions and you'll hear it your share! smile
Not a whole lot, but several contestants have played it.

And I think it does get played a fair amount in recital.


Ok, yeah, those are not my milieux.

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It's a beast to memorize and the technical stuff isn't flashy , while still being brutal on the fingers. seems like the antithesis of a good competition piece. (not to say I dont LOVE the franck)

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The 'chorale' passage that he just finished is, I think, unintentionally funny, because you're always wondering if the player will get to each next high note in time -- it's not easy -- and very often, people don't. He didn't particularly.

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I had only heard all three Schubert played together once before(Kraskovsky) and after that concert I thought they didn't work together so well(too long). But Huangci's performance made me change my mind about that. I also thought her Tchaikovsky was sensational although I like Pletnev's Nutcracker transcription more.

I thought Sangiovanni's Beethoven was sensationally good and his Franck equally terrific so far. Maybe he will even make me like the fugue(which I have not previously liked).

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