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#2089757 - 05/27/13 08:18 AM Help...  
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Hi all:

I hope you can help. I have no access right now to an acoustic piano. I live in an apartment. I had a Yamaha P something a couple of years ago, but, gave it away. The touch and sound were not very good.

Anyways, the desire to play has not gone away. Roland, Yamaha, or Kawai, that is the question. But, which one? Budget wise, it would have to be on time payments. Thusly, under $2,000.00. Any ideas?

Also, my wrists. I cannot do a push up. Why? Because my wrist will not bend that much. Should I be evaluated by some doctor, if so, what kind? Orthopedist or rhemuatologist? I do not really have pain, but, range of motion of my wrists is real bad. I have ankylosing spondylitis which I am sure is the primary cause or secondary cause.

Just when I think I have been able to say goodbye to my dream of playing, somehow, the music comes back, calling me to at least try. But, sometimes we must say goodbye to our dreams....not sure.

If I were to begin again, I feel like, starting all over, learning the basic basics, trying to undo bad habits/technique.

AND...I am a groupie! I listen to numerous recordings, and yet, have not a single person at my job or church to chat about pianos, technique, recordings, etc. No one! I know, pretty sad huh? So, I am alone in my dreams and love of piano music. My wife is not a fan, neither is my daughter. Maybe my wrists are sign to give up...and move on...I don't now...

Anyways, appreciate your comments.




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#2089763 - 05/27/13 08:39 AM Re: Help... [Re: ChopinFan66]  
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You don't need to do push-ups in order to play piano. The wrists just need to be flexible, but you don't need a huge range of motion in that way. Can you go side to side like you're waving at someone? Can you twist like you're turning a doorknob? Those are more important than the motion of a push-up. The most you'd need for that is like knocking on a door, and that doesn't require a huge range of motion, as I said.

If you have no pain but you find yourself limited, you may want to work with a piano teacher who can observe your playing and help you to work through your repertoire in the best way possible.

As for what piano, you will want to go around and play them to see what you like. Roland, Yamaha, and Kawai all have great instruments in this price range, and if you need a payment plan you'll want to go through a local dealer anyways (although I think some of the larger online stores have financing available). Also consider Casio Privia, I think in your price range you can get a very nice one.

What are the important things you want in a piano? The feel? The sound? Does it need a nice looking stand, or will a stage piano be fine? Any other bells and whistles?

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#2089766 - 05/27/13 08:46 AM Re: Help... [Re: ChopinFan66]  
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Morodiene's advice is spot on.

In addition, I would also recommend visiting a specialist to discuss your wrist mobility. There may be rehabilitation exercises or procedures that can improve your range of movement. My sister is a skilled chiropractor who has improved the lives of many of her patients considerably, so I'm naturally inclined to also suggest this form of treatment, alongside other holistic therapies such as acupuncture.

If you love music and dream to play the piano, I believe you should definitely pursue learning with a good teacher - one who will inspire and nurture your creative desires.

Best of luck!


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#2089819 - 05/27/13 11:20 AM Re: Help... [Re: ChopinFan66]  
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I have all kind of serious troubles with spine and finger (herniated disk, tendinitis in the youth forced me to give up, together with the heavy and uneven action of our family instrument, a Förster baby grand.) I am meanwhile 55.

So I sought for an especially smooth bottoming action. And found Kawai's wooden actions the best. I could practise with the 2 generation old AWA GRAND PRO-II (model CA51) 5 hours without problems.

I am now awaiting my new new CA65 (due to arrive next week) with a GF action (much longer keys, black keys offset to make up for a more even force). It is slightly over Your budget, but the CA15 (similar action, also high regarded but with shorter keys) is about in that range.

I found the plastic actions of Kawai the second best choice in this regard. While Roland PHA-III, Casio and Yamaha (GH3) were precise enough, they fall short just in this regard IMHO.

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#2089826 - 05/27/13 11:33 AM Re: Help... [Re: ChopinFan66]  
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A few things to consider here. About the wrist movement, it might be a good idea to see a doctor about it, though I can't say much else. However, I can definitely second James' suggestion of seeing a chiropractor. They can definitely tell you a lot about such things as range of motion and very well might help if you have a problem like that. If nothing else, maybe they could tell you whether seeing another specialist would be advisable.

Now for the fun part...music and instruments! You've indicated you're interested in Roland, Yamaha and Kawai. If $2,000 is your limit, you definitely have a decent number of options. Check out the Roland FP series. The new FP80 (which I haven't actually seen yet) has a street price of $1,999, but the older FP7F may be available from a store near you at a discount (because it has just been discontinued -- but it has a great feel to it, great piano sound, and ok built-in speakers). The lower models, the FP4F or the new FP50, are said to have a different (cheaper) action, but I can't comment as I haven't played them. Based on what I've played, I'd go with Roland over any Yamaha that I've played, but if you can try them for yourself you can make your own decisions based on your personal taste. Kawai has some models within your price range as well (maybe the M6, I think?), and they feel great, but the ones I'm familiar with have no onboard speakers, so unless you already have a good quality amp or some sort fit for keyboard use, that might affect your decision. Again, if at all possible, spend some time playing various models side by side, and play a wide range of stuff (slow and chordal, faster, play some slow scales, fast repeated notes, etc.) to really get a feel for the capabilities of each keyboard.

And, of course, studying some technique with a good teacher will help. If you decide a slightly cheaper model will be satisfactory maybe you can channel some of the money toward that.

#2089861 - 05/27/13 12:39 PM Re: Help... [Re: ChopinFan66]  
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As far as DPs go, in my experience the Roland has a better feel than Yamaha in this price range, but the piano sound itself is not as good as Yamaha. But I am basing this off of a few years ago when I bought my FP-7, so things probably hane changed slightly since then. Didn't have any Kawais in the area that I could test so I know nothing about them.

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