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#2084157 - 05/17/13 12:41 PM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]  
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No problem PianoStudent88 - its a good idea! (Rossy is really busy, so I'm helping out with the list today) So, without further ado, here is the amended list with second choices in numerical order:


OPUS 12
No. 1, Arietta :;;;; AIMEEO.
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):;;;SARANOYYA.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):;;;CASINITALY.
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance);;;;; LADYCHEN
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody):;;; ANDY PLATT.
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melod
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)


Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)::::WAYNE33YRS
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)::: SWISSMS
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy);;;:RECAREDO.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)


Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):

No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) ;;;;:BERIC.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland):::ALLARD
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon);;;;: PETERWS
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)


Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody);;;;IRENE ADLER
No. 4, Halling;; CARLOS88
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy):STUMBLER
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)


Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):

No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)ZRTF90
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs);;;; Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno :;;; DIPSEY.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing):;;; SINOPHILIA.


Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days) DIRE TONIC
No. 2, Gade ;;;;;;SAMS.
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)pianostudent88
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness):::RAGNHILDK.


Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet): NILUH01
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom): PAVEL.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward):


Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years):;; MORODIENE.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song);;;;:WISEBUFF
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad);;;;:RUPAK.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen):;; GANDDALF.


Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):::::ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): LIMEFRIDAY
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle)
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)


Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve)
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck);;;;;;:FARMGIRL
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods);;;;;;:VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)Keystring
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances);;;;;;:DYNOMOBT.


And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:

Saranoya (12.7)
Ladychen (38.4)
Dipsy (38.7)
Beric (43.6)
Peterws (47.6)
SwissMS (47.7)
niluh01 (62.1)
PianoStudent88 (65.3)
Dire tonic (68.3)
Limefriday (71.1)
FARMGIRL (71.2)
SamS (71.3)



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#2084166 - 05/17/13 01:03 PM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]  
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Please sign me up for Opus 68 No. 5 (Cradle Song)

Thanks -

Carey

p.s. when is the submission deadline???????


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Thanks, Dipsy.

carey, we've been discussing mid-September.


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#2084194 - 05/17/13 02:12 PM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]  
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That's great Carey - here's another revised list to show that op 68.5 (cradle song) is now taken:

OPUS 12
No. 1, Arietta :;;;; AIMEEO.
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):;;;SARANOYYA.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):;;;CASINITALY.
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance);;;;; LADYCHEN
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody):;;; ANDY PLATT.
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melod
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)


Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)::::WAYNE33YRS
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)::: SWISSMS
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy);;;:RECAREDO.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)


Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):

No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) ;;;;:BERIC.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland):::ALLARD
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon);;;;: PETERWS
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)


Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody);;;;IRENE ADLER
No. 4, Halling;; CARLOS88
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy):STUMBLER
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)


Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):

No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)ZRTF90
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs);;;; Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno :;;; DIPSEY.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing):;;; SINOPHILIA.


Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days) DIRE TONIC
No. 2, Gade ;;;;;;SAMS.
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)pianostudent88
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness):::RAGNHILDK.


Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet): NILUH01
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom): PAVEL.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward):


Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years):;; MORODIENE.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song);;;;:WISEBUFF
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad);;;;:RUPAK.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen):;; GANDDALF.


Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):::::ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): LIMEFRIDAY
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle): CAREY
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)


Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve)
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck);;;;;;:FARMGIRL
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods);;;;;;:VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)Keystring
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances);;;;;;:DYNOMOBT.


And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:

Saranoya (12.7)
Ladychen (38.4)
Dipsy (38.7)
Beric (43.6)
Peterws (47.6)
SwissMS (47.7)
niluh01 (62.1)
PianoStudent88 (65.3)
Dire tonic (68.3)
Limefriday (71.1)
FARMGIRL (71.2)
SamS (71.3)



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#2084195 - 05/17/13 02:14 PM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]  
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That's great Carey - here's another revised list to show that op 68.5 (cradle song) is now taken:

OPUS 12
No. 1, Arietta :;;;; AIMEEO.
No. 2, Vals (Waltz):;;;SARANOYYA.
No. 3, Vektersang (Watchman's song, after Macbeth):;;;CASINITALY.
No. 4, Alfedans (Elves' dance);;;;; LADYCHEN
No. 5, Folkevise (Popular melody):;;; ANDY PLATT.
No. 6, Norsk (Norwegian melod
No. 7, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 8, Fedrelandssang (National song)


Book II, Op. 38 (composed 1883 except where noted; published 1883):

No. 1, Berceuse
No. 2, Folkevise (Folk-song)::::WAYNE33YRS
No. 3, Melodi (Melody)::: SWISSMS
No. 4, Halling (Dance)
No. 5, Springdans (Spring dance)[1]
No. 6, Elegi (Elegy);;;:RECAREDO.
No. 7, Vals (Waltz, originally composed 1866; revised 1883)
No. 8, Kanon (Canon, composed ca. 1877-8?; revised 1883)


Book III, Op. 43 (composed probably 1886; published 1886; ded. Isidor Seiss):

No. 1, Sommerfugl (Butterfly) ;;;;:BERIC.
No. 2, Ensom vandrer (Solitary traveller)
No. 3, I hjemmet (In my homeland):::ALLARD
No. 4, Liten fugl (Little bird)
No. 5, Erotikk (Erotikon);;;;: PETERWS
No. 6, Til våren (To spring)


Book IV, Op. 47 (composed 1886-8 except where noted; published 1888):

No. 1, Valse-Impromptu
No. 2, Albumblad (Albumleaf)
No. 3, Melodi (Melody);;;;IRENE ADLER
No. 4, Halling;; CARLOS88
No. 5, Melankoli (Melancholy):STUMBLER
No. 6, Springtanz (Spring dance,[1] composed 1872?; revised 1888)
No. 7, Elegi (Elegy)


Book V, Op. 54 (composed 1889-91; published 1891; Nos. 1-4 later orchestrated as Lyric Suite):

No. 1, Gjetergutt (Shepherd's boy)
No. 2, Gangar (Norwegian march)ZRTF90
No. 3, Trolltog (March of the Dwarfs);;;; Rossy: oh deary me what have I done?
No. 4, Notturno :;;; DIPSY.
No. 5, Scherzo
No. 6, Klokkeklang (Bell ringing):;;; SINOPHILIA.


Book VI, Op. 57 (composed 1890?-3; published 1893):

No. 1, Svundne dager (Vanished days) DIRE TONIC
No. 2, Gade ;;;;;;SAMS.
No. 3, Illusjon (Illusion)pianostudent88
No. 4, Geheimniss (Secret)
No. 5, Sie tanzt (She dances)
No. 6, Heimweh (Homesickness):::RAGNHILDK.


Book VII, Op. 62 (composed 1893?-5; published 1895):

No. 1, Sylfide (Sylph)
No. 2, Takk (Gratitude)
No. 3, Fransk serenade (French serenade)
No. 4, Bekken (Brooklet): NILUH01
No. 5, Drømmesyn (Phantom): PAVEL.K
No. 6, Hjemad (Homeward):


Book VIII, Op. 65 (composed 1896; published 1897):

No. 1, Fra ungdomsdagene (From early years):;; MORODIENE.
No. 2, Bondens sang (Peasant's song);;;;:WISEBUFF
No. 3, Tungsinn (Melancholy)
No. 4, Salong (Salon)
No. 5, I balladetone (Ballad);;;;:RUPAK.
No. 6, Bryllupsdag på Troldhaugen (Wedding Day at Troldhaugen):;; GANDDALF.


Book IX, Op. 68 (composed 1898-9; published 1899; Nos. 4 and 5 were orchestrated in 1899):

No. 1, Matrosenes oppsang (Sailor's song):::::ElleC
No. 2, Bestemors menuet (Grandmother's minuet)
No. 3, For dine føtter (At your feet)
No. 4, Aften på højfjellet (Evening in the mountains): LIMEFRIDAY
No. 5, Bådnlåt (At the cradle): CAREY
No. 6, Valse mélancolique (Melancholy waltz)


Book X, Op. 71 (composed and published 1901):

No. 1, Det var engang (Once upon a time)
No. 2, Sommeraften (Summer's eve)
No. 3, Småtroll (Puck);;;;;;:FARMGIRL
No. 4, Skogstillhet (Peace in the woods);;;;;;:VALENCIA.
No. 5, Halling
No. 6, Forbi (Gone)Keystring
No. 7, Etterklang (Remembrances);;;;;;:DYNOMOBT.


And if they are not taken by others , then we have second choices of:

Saranoya (12.7)
Ladychen (38.4)
Dipsy (38.7)
Beric (43.6)
Peterws (47.6)
SwissMS (47.7)
niluh01 (62.1)
PianoStudent88 (65.3)
Dire tonic (68.3)
Limefriday (71.1)
FARMGIRL (71.2)
SamS (71.3)



#2085758 - 05/20/13 01:09 PM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]  
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I have a question. I hope I am not in the wrong place to ask this. As it will be my first time posting a recording on this forum, how should I go about it? Will I simply put a Youtube or mp3? The deadline is somewhen in September, how 'early' am I allowed to post my recording? Thank you.


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You upload a YouTube video and send the link to it to Rostosky (not to this thread). When the time for the recital comes, Rostosky posts all the videos in order on a new thread. The video can be of whatever you like. Of course the soundtrack is your Mendelssohn piece, but the pictures can either be of you playing or of anything else you'd like to complement the music. If you have more than one piece, you upload a separate video for each one.

Your YouTube video can be either Public or Unlisted, but not Private.


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#2085767 - 05/20/13 01:24 PM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]  
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Some comments I posted over in the May Recital Discussion thread, which got me thinking about my Grieg piece(s):
Originally Posted by PianoStudent88
Originally Posted by Sam S
46. PianoStudent88 - Lyado Is Seriously Ill, Op. 62 No. 3 I think Ljado is very ill - hope he makes it! You brought out the mood very well - nicely done.

What's interesting about mood to me is that often I'm not thinking "mood", in terms of emotive or descriptive words. Instead, I'm following the markings in the music, and the sound. Then it miraculously (due to the genius of the composer) comes out sounding with the composer's intended mood. This is very gratifying.

Originally Posted by casinitaly
46. PianoStudent88 - Lyado Is Seriously Ill, Op. 62 No. 3 Very interesting piece ! One I've never heard. It certainly creates the sensation of something not being right, building a sense of worry and tension! - poor Lyado, must be very ill indeed! Nicely played!

I think my goal is for my own piano playing talent (or lack of it) to get out of the way and simply allow the composer's intent to shine through. My role is to accurately and thoughtfully learn and perform his music. Glad you found this interesting.

Originally Posted by SwissMS
46. PianoStudent88 - Lyado Is Seriously Ill, Op. 62 No. 3 This is a very interesting piece. You brought out the sadness and gave the piece a restrained, mourning sound. Well done!

Thank you, SwissMS. Similar to what I said to Sam S, I'm not consciously trying to sound mournful, but fortunately Khachaturian has written that into the music so if I perform it sensitively to the sound, it comes out.


For Op. 57. No. 3, Illusion, I'm still not sure how I want it to sound, or how it should sound. Currently I feel like I'm sort of leadenly getting the notes out, but with no shaping, emphasis, goal, or motivation. So I may have to resort to something I don't usually do, which is think programmatically about how to convey "Illusion" through this music. Usually I take an abstract approach guided by how the music sounds rather than any particularly imagistic approach. I've been resisting listening to other people play this; I'm not entirely sure why except that I want to discover the piece for myself and not imitate someone else's rendition. But I may need someone else's rendition to give me some ideas to start with.

For Op. 65 No. 3, Melancholy, I feel much differently. At least so far it seems like the notes and markings on the page will be sufficient to get me started in how to feel the piece, without particularly trying to think of it as melancholic. It's early days on this one though; I'm still practicing octave technique (as much as I can figure out intuitively with scraps of information) before seriously starting to learn the piece itself.

How does anyone else approach expressing the title or mood of a piece?


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Will it have to be a video and not simply an MP3 file? I've never made a video before!!


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#2085797 - 05/20/13 02:32 PM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]  
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Pianostudent - I don't know the answer (how to convey the mood/notion of the title of a piece) but asked a man who might, and the advice from beric (paraphrased) is:

On 'Illusion:
"The starting point is learning what to play - right notes, etc
It also helps to analyse the music and this will show a motif running throughout, but with constantly shifting harmony/modality. This in itself conveys the idea of 'illusion' - an idea seen through different lenses. (Dipsy: so the idea of the music having a goal might not be helpful, as the transient nature of it all IS the point - the piece only settles harmonically at the very end).
The only way to really discover the secrets of a piece is to play it, as you play it, you start to understand it. Getting to know it really well is 'part of the fun of the hunt'!
Beric also gave a tip- as it is marked allegretto seriouso, it shouldnt be played in a jaunty way - need to be more reflective, considered."

hope this helps



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Dipsy, thank you to you and to Beric. That is very helpful. In a way, it lets me feel OK about just continuing to live with the piece, and wait for the music to tell me what it wants, rather than try to be too consciously Illusive.


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#2085814 - 05/20/13 02:54 PM Re: Grieg recital: Proposal..... [Re: Rostosky]  
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dynamobt, if you are uncomfortable filming your performance, you can simply use Windows Movie Maker or similar software to put a picture over your sound. It's very easy to do. What matters is that all performances can be found nicely together on YouTube.


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Well, it's not that I'm "uncomfortable" filming myself. I lack the skills to sync video with audio. Never used Windows Movie Maker, though I did download it to have it. Worse comes to worse, you'll all get a nice picture of my piano with some background music!! LOL and that's if I can figure out how to do even that!!!!


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dynamobt, I am similarly a Windows Movie Maker neophyte, but I'd like to figure it out, so I'll tackle it and then I can offer advice on how to use it. Or you can send me your sound file and a picture you want to go with it, and I can put them together for you. I think there are other people on this thread who can also offer advice.

Do you have a YouTube account?


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Thanks PianoStudent88!!! I do have a YouTube account. Never used it though. I'll have my piece done well before the deadine. It's nearly ready as is. I was lucky and got to pick a relatively easy one!!!



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Hi everyone!

An update from me: I've realized that my practice was becoming chaotic, so I'll have to be a metronome's slave again. And I'm still on the first page cry !

How slow I am when I have to learn a new piece.

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Originally Posted by PianoStudent88
Usually I take an abstract approach guided by how the music sounds rather than any particularly imagistic approach.


This is usually my approach too, looking for a pleasing musical effect rather than trying to conjure up an image although it's not difficult to hear in many of the lyric pieces a blatant attempt to set a mood.

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I've been resisting listening to other people play this; I'm not entirely sure why except that I want to discover the piece for myself and not imitate someone else's rendition. But I may need someone else's rendition to give me some ideas to start with.



I spend a lot of time listening. I’ve no basis for saying this but I think most ordinary mortals need to go through a phase of emulation before striking out on their own. More importantly, listening to the pros playing a piece, trying to figure out their differences, is an educative exercise for the ears – let alone trying to grapple with the technical challenge of trying to replicate something they’re doing – often futile but rewarding wherever it’s possible.

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You do get ideas when you listen to others, and while it's great to try and get your own ideas going, sometimes it's good to hear other people's to get inspired. I will just as often *not* do what I hear another doing as I will - but by listening that helps me determine what I like.

Listen to several different recordings, but not any enough to memorize what they're doing, just to make note yourself of what you want to do. I often will be going through the piece in my mind throughout the day, working through how I want it to sound. That way I know what it should sound like before I sit down at the piano. Then it's all about figuring out how to play it like I hear in my head.


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Thanks to the suggestions about listening. I've now done some listening. I now have some ideas about varying tempo and dynamics in Illusion, Op. 57 No. 3.

Listening to it, I have also discovered that right now I don't actually like the piece very much. It just goes along endlessly Daah-di-di-di Daah-di-di-di. I love minor key pieces usually, but it doesn't sound very minor to me, perhaps because of all the shifting things Grieg is doing with the harmonies. And I can't really hear shifting harmonies (for example, to tell "ah that is shifting as opposed to more stable") so that aspect of Grieg's artistry is lost on me, at least consciously.

Don't worry Rostosky, even through I'm not liking it very much I'm not going to ask to change.


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Originally Posted by PianoStudent88
Illusion, Op. 57 No. 3.

Listening to it, I have also discovered that right now I don't actually like the piece very much. It just goes along endlessly Daah-di-di-di Daah-di-di-di.


I'm listening to it now.... I fear that from this point on whenever I hear it I'm going to think "Daah-di-di-di Dah-di-di-di..... Thank goodness it isn't a piece I'm likely to run into on a regular basis wink



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Oddly, I often like minimalist music, so maybe I need to shift my expectation from "lush romantic lyric piece" to "nascent Norwegian minimalism", and then I will start to like it better. Not sure if I mean this with a smile or entirely seriously!


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Originally Posted by Recaredo
Hi everyone!

An update from me: I've realized that my practice was becoming chaotic, so I'll have to be a metronome's slave again. And I'm still on the first page cry !

How slow I am when I have to learn a new piece.


Which always lands you enviable results!


I'm enjoying my piece (12 , no 1). The pedal has been challenging, however. It's not helping that my piano needs tuning and the pedal just emphasizes that. I still haven't made up my mind how I want to do it yet, but I guess I'll wait til I have a firm grip on the piece.

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Okay folks here I am back from the battle!

what battle is that then Rossy? I hear someone say in their minds voice.

well it was actually a place called battle, which is near hastings where the battle of 1066 happened with the invading types, over here on Jolly old Englands proverbial green and pleasant land.

which is why its called Battle of course, and very green and pleasant it is too down that way, I can reccomend it as a good place to visit.

warmer than wales and not gray like wales.

Right if anyone needs help with windows movie maker, or making a video to then put up on youtube, then just ask me and I will walk you through the whole process , especially if you are nice to me and also if you make me laugh with stupid stories about things that shouldnt really be funny, but actually are.




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I thought I would check in. 38 3 is going well. It is basically repeating the same theme three times with variations. I still really enjoy playing this piece. It is in hand except the 3 against 4 measures, which still sound rather haphazard. I am sure my teacher will have something to say about that at my lesson tomorrow.

I have fallen out of love with 47 7. It repeats twice and is quite discordant at times, at least at the speed I am playing right now. So don't shoot me if I ask to change my 2nd choice to 38 8 Kannon. It is more ambitious, so I want to talk to my teacher tomorrow about taking it on.

She presented all of the lyrical pieces as a master's degree project before beginning her doctorate. Hence, she is very familiar with all of them. I will let her decide which piece would be better for me. Since 2nd choices are available to others to choose, hopefully my making a change will not cause any problems.

I will report tomorrow if she thinks I can polish 38 8 in four months. Otherwise I will just stick with 47 7.

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Originally Posted by PianoStudent88
Oddly, I often like minimalist music, so maybe I need to shift my expectation from "lush romantic lyric piece" to "nascent Norwegian minimalism", and then I will start to like it better. Not sure if I mean this with a smile or entirely seriously!
I played through your piece last night, and it really has some impressionistic nuances to it! I would treat it like a Debussy Prelude (and maybe the title Illusion was to insinuate that style?). Go for a more ethereal sound rather than a romantic sound with this one.


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Thank you, Morodiene. What are some of the impressionistic nuances? I've never played Debussy, but someone played Voiles very impressively in the current Beginners And Beyond Recital, so I could use that to give me an idea.

Ethereal, I can wrap my mind around that.


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Originally Posted by PianoStudent88
Thank you, Morodiene. What are some of the impressionistic nuances? I've never played Debussy, but someone played Voiles very impressively in the current Beginners And Beyond Recital, so I could use that to give me an idea.

Ethereal, I can wrap my mind around that.
To me it means less of an idea of melody and harmony, and more just an overall picture of something. Think about how Impressionist paintings can be made up of several dots or slashes of paint but when you step back and look at the overall picture you see what it is. Impressionism in art I believe had not to do with trying to depict something accurately like a portait or still life, but was concerned with implying the feeling of whatever the subject matter was.

Translated to piano music, you would want to determine for yourself what feelings this is alluding to. Obviously, there are notes you will want to bring out, little melodies if you will, but it's not the kind of melody you'd find in Chopin or Mendelssohn SWW wink. It's more of an allusion to a feeling or atmosphere. Sorry if this sounds very obscure.

I played through it a second time and I imagined it was an Impressionist take on a Viennese waltz - not a grand one, but perhaps one done in a parlor with someone playing the piano. Even though it's in 6/8 and doesn't always have the "boom-chick-chick" accompaniment (more often it's just "boom-chick"), it really helped give me some ideas.

For example, when doing a waltz, beat 2 is always slightly elongated. In this time signature, you'd be looking at elongating beats 2 and 5. I don't know if this sounds crazy or if it helps at all, but that's what I got out of it. wink


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That is very helpful, Morodiene, thank you.


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Oh, what the heck. I'll take Halling, Op. 38 no. 4.


I'll see if my eye allows me to see the music well enough.

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Oh, what the heck. I'll take Halling, Op. 38 no. 4.


I'll see if my eye allows me to see the music well enough.


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