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#2085057 - 05/19/13 05:29 AM try new U4 for Pianoteq  
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I try U4 and find it best for piano/pianissimo sound.
But hammer's sound need to adjust for each player.

Example - "October" (Chaikovsky, Seasons of the Year) -
https://soundcloud.com/yuripavl/autumn


DP: Korg Sp-250,Pianoteq 5.x, TruePianos 1.9x;
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Upright: Kalujanka;
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#2085458 - 05/19/13 10:57 PM Re: try new U4 for Pianoteq [Re: Yuri Pavlov]  
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Thank you Yuri. That does sound good. Pianotec sure is sounding better. I noticed the price is "better" also. smile
It's one to definitely keep in mind.


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#2085463 - 05/19/13 11:16 PM Re: try new U4 for Pianoteq [Re: Yuri Pavlov]  
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I agree that, among the various Pianoteq options, the U4 seems to be the most realistic model of the acoustic piano it references. There's a thread on the Pianoteq forum that observes the U4 uses more CPU than the other Pianoteq models, so maybe the U4 is a better model (and, if so, perhaps this is because it's the latest model). Also, 52-inch pianos don't have the richest bass in the world, though they're fun to play, especially when perfectly in tune with a super-responsive action.

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#2085581 - 05/20/13 05:51 AM Re: try new U4 for Pianoteq [Re: Yuri Pavlov]  
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IMO, EW QL Pianos sound much better and more realistically in "P" or "PP".
Unfortunately I could not hear any real rich piano timbre at this DEMO.
Just "low pass" filtered sound and knocking, although your performance, Yuri, is very delicate and with natural feeling.

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#2085647 - 05/20/13 09:13 AM Re: try new U4 for Pianoteq [Re: Wess. Chr. K.]  
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Originally Posted by Wess. Chr. K.
IMO, EW QL Pianos sound much better and more realistically in "P" or "PP".
Unfortunately I could not hear any real rich piano timbre at this DEMO.
Just "low pass" filtered sound and knocking, although your performance, Yuri, is very delicate and with natural feeling.


But the EW QL pianos are full-sized grands, aren't they, while the U4 is a model of an upright?

In any case, was Yuri's recording done with the mics set at a little distance from the piano, with the amplitude of the hammer knocks raised? In other words, if it's not a close-mic performance, the louder hammer sounds encourage one to believe it is, and thus expect a richer (and generally louder?) sound. So a comparison with a close-mic'ed samples (from a grand) leads to expectations that it can't fulfill.

But I'm making guesses. Uri, which preset for the U4 did you use?

#2085840 - 05/20/13 03:40 PM Re: try new U4 for Pianoteq [Re: Jake Jackson]  
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Originally Posted by Jake Jackson
[quote=Wess. Chr. K.]
But I'm making guesses. Uri, which preset for the U4 did you use?

U4 midnight with little changes


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Grand piano: Blutner, Muhlbach, Yamaha, iRig Pro;
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#2085970 - 05/20/13 07:59 PM Re: try new U4 for Pianoteq [Re: Yuri Pavlov]  
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Thanks. I see that the mics for the Midnight preset are fairly close, but not as close as in some libraries, where the mics are set inside the hood. They are instead set near the player, at the outer edge of the keys:

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#2086059 - 05/20/13 11:54 PM Re: try new U4 for Pianoteq [Re: Yuri Pavlov]  
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Jake, can you upload your preset to some cloud? Оr send to my e-m (yuri.pavl@gmail.com)?


DP: Korg Sp-250,Pianoteq 5.x, TruePianos 1.9x;
Grand piano: Blutner, Muhlbach, Yamaha, iRig Pro;
Upright: Kalujanka;
English (with some problems)
#2086242 - 05/21/13 01:02 PM Re: try new U4 for Pianoteq [Re: Yuri Pavlov]  
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Originally Posted by Yuri Pavlov
Jake, can you upload your preset to some cloud? Оr send to my e-m (yuri.pavl@gmail.com)?


The graphic is not for a preset. Because there were questions about the "close" sound, I was just posting the graphic to show where the mics are in the Midnight preset.

#2086580 - 05/22/13 04:18 AM Re: try new U4 for Pianoteq [Re: Jake Jackson]  
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Originally Posted by Jake Jackson
Originally Posted by Yuri Pavlov
Jake, can you upload your preset to some cloud? Оr send to my e-m (yuri.pavl@gmail.com)?


The graphic is not for a preset. Because there were questions about the "close" sound, I was just posting the graphic to show where the mics are in the Midnight preset.


OK. But position of mics changes the sound but not resolve problems...


DP: Korg Sp-250,Pianoteq 5.x, TruePianos 1.9x;
Grand piano: Blutner, Muhlbach, Yamaha, iRig Pro;
Upright: Kalujanka;
English (with some problems)
#2087216 - 05/23/13 08:15 AM Re: try new U4 for Pianoteq [Re: Yuri Pavlov]  
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Originally Posted by Yuri Pavlov
Originally Posted by Jake Jackson
Originally Posted by Yuri Pavlov
Jake, can you upload your preset to some cloud? Оr send to my e-m (yuri.pavl@gmail.com)?


The graphic is not for a preset. Because there were questions about the "close" sound, I was just posting the graphic to show where the mics are in the Midnight preset.


OK. But position of mics changes the sound but not resolve problems...


What problem are you trying to resolve? Are you wanting a closer sound?

#2087945 - 05/24/13 12:05 PM Re: try new U4 for Pianoteq [Re: Yuri Pavlov]  
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Did you record your playing of Tchaikovsky's "October" to a midi file? If so, I would like to use it to work towards creating a preset in Pianoteq that might be more to your liking.

Regardless, I like the version that you posted here. But I do understand the desire to replicate the player's experience a bit more while playing.


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