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Re: Chopin Etudes Recordings #370694
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Christopher James Quinn, I noticed in your resume the movie Deep Attack. Is that the one that filmed for a few weeks here in Cleveland this past fall?
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Re: Chopin Etudes Recordings #370695
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I recollect that the IPQ article felt that Juana Zayas' recording of the Études was as good as any, and better than most. I've heard it, and agree (but would caution that the Perahia disc was released after the article was written - sorry that Shantinik doesn't like that set, which I think is also very fine).


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I heard Zayas perform the complete etudes a few months ago at Klavierhaus in NYC. I did not think it was a very great performance (and, in fact, she seemed to be struggling on several of them), but I think her recording was made about 20 years ago and could be much better. Or maybe she was not in good form the particular day I heard her. Also, since I had seen the IPQ review before the concert, I came to the concert with very high expectations.

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You're right on the recording date. The Music & Arts release states: "Originally released in 1983 by UNI-PRO Recordings, Inc. on Spectrum LP No. SR-165," and the SPARS code is ADD. To play all the études well, the performer has to be at the top of his game, both physically and mentally, and she probably wasn't there that night. I've also heard her préludes, which I like, but a friend has gotten some of her recordings of longer pieces (including, perhaps, the Appassionata) and he tells me she doesn't seem to have the architectural sense she'd need to manage large scale works.


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Thanks for all the recommendations. After listening to all the Amazon tracks, daughter chose Berezhovsky (Browning came in second.)

But then, what do we know? cool
- I think it was not the right choice. Although Beresovsky has a great technique and a beautiful sound, it seems that he has not prepared seriously to this recording. It is not thought through, there are some odd choices, overall his recordings sounds somewhat heavy.

The best choice would be Gavrilov (IMHO), the most athletic of all recordings that I know. This is a technical marvel that does not lack musicality. This is far superior to Beresovsky.

Pollini sounds too cold, like a technique for itself.

Cziffra is surprizingly not that virtuosic but full of strange choices aiming at the originality.

Cortot is very musical, so that his technical deficiences can be forgiven.

Lugansky is anemic, although technically good.

From Perahia I've only heard Op.10 No.12 in the car, it was horrible.

I also have Idil Biret on Naxos, not quite competitive.

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Well, I guess we'll end up with several! (Hey, we've got three sets of Chopin Nocturnes - Vasary, Rubinstein, Moravec -- all 3 of which are superb, all 3 very different, all 3 "must haves" (though if I could only own one, it would be Vasary)). cool

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I'll second the recommendation of John Browning's Etudes on RCA. His Op. 10 #4 is about the most musical I've ever heard (though in terms of technique and/or recording quality it may be slightly "sloppy" -- heck, I'd love to play it that "sloppily!") He uses just enough pedal in the right places, so the piece sounds quick and crisp and never blurry as many of the other recordings of the piece do. And, he plays it fast as heck straight on through, only stretching the tempo slightly on the last couple of chords before the coda. "Fierce and fiery?" You bet! laugh Also check out his Op. 25 #10 (B-minor) -- the "A" sections are as fiery as anyone ever played it, I would dare say.

He did a great job on all the others as well--for example, Op. 10 #3 is one that flows very well, whereas some will slow down or speed up too abruptly, almost making you seasick listenening to it. smile Same goes for his version of Op. 25 #1 -- he stretches the phrases here and there just right.

I don't like Perahia's CD as much -- e.g. on #10/4 he stretches the tempo out too far here and there, and uses too much pedal in places (or maybe part of it is the echo in the hall) so it gets a little blurry sometimes.

Overall, my impression of Perahia is that I like the way he plays a number of the Etudes, the technique is flawless on all of them as far as I can tell, and the recording quality is obviously much better than on the Browning CD (which was recorded in 1967 or so). But Browning to me is the most consistent in terms of interpreting the music--for example, using the damper, adding rubato and emphasizing middle or lower voices, all in the right places and in the right amounts (at least to my taste). This makes his the most enjoyable to listen to of the several recordings I have.

-Paul

Re: Chopin Etudes Recordings [Re: paulie567] #2082487
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Re: Chopin Etudes Recordings [Re: shantinik] #2084028
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just for completeness' sake: Francois Rene Duchable, very fiery indeed.


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Re: Chopin Etudes Recordings [Re: shantinik] #2084069
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And just for reality's sake - this thread died nearly a whole decade ago, and a good number of the participants aren't participating here any more.

Zombies are on the march once again...


Re: Chopin Etudes Recordings [Re: shantinik] #2084224
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And again a new member is the culprit... wink



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Re: Chopin Etudes Recordings [Re: Polyphonist] #2084274
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And again a new member is the culprit... wink



While I wouldn't call the new member a "culprit," I would suggest that many a new member's unfamiliarity with the system and unawareness of post dates is more the source of this not infrequent problem.

Perhaps there are other set-ups than the one I have which places the newest post at the top of the first screen. Older posts are further down the page and even older ones are relegated to many screens "back." If that is the default system, then it puzzles me why even someone new to the site would be looking at very old posts without realizing that that one and all of the intervening ones could not be current.

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Originally Posted by BruceD

Perhaps there are other set-ups than the one I have which places the newest post at the top of the first screen. Older posts are further down the page and even older ones are relegated to many screens "back." If that is the default system, then it puzzles me why even someone new to the site would be looking at very old posts without realizing that that one and all of the intervening ones could not be current.

Bruce, they probably use the search feature to access the old threads. (Or, for that matter, they might have been led to the old thread, and to PianoWorld itself, through an external Google search.)

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Re: Chopin Etudes Recordings [Re: shantinik] #2084292
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Unless someone continually decides to open old threads I see no reason why someone should complain if someone opens an old thread. If there was something interesting or important then it may still be interesting now.

The idea that because the original poster or some other posters may no longer be part of the discussion a thread should remain closed assumes that the discussion could only be interesting to those people. This is not the case.

Re: Chopin Etudes Recordings [Re: pianoloverus] #2084466
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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
Unless someone continually decides to open old threads I see no reason why someone should complain if someone opens an old thread. [...]


The only time I don't keep my mouth shut (on this issue, that is) is when someone posts a specific reply to someone who has long, long deserted the Pianist Corner.

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Re: Chopin Etudes Recordings [Re: shantinik] #2084490
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other forum software allow for a warning when someone tries to post too old threads (red letters: "You are almost done in posting in an inactive thread for the past 150 days! Are you sure?", etc...

This avoids the problem.

In this case I think that it's slightly weird, but exactly because of the nature of the thread I think it's ok... There wasn't a specific question exactly (though it was phrased as that), but rather a request to gather different Chopin Etudes recordings and this can be an ongoing request even if the OP is gone.

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Originally Posted by Nikolas
other forum software allow for a warning when someone tries to post too old threads (red letters: "You are almost done in posting in an inactive thread for the past 150 days! Are you sure?", etc...

This avoids the problem.

In this case I think that it's slightly weird, but exactly because of the nature of the thread I think it's ok... There wasn't a specific question exactly (though it was phrased as that), but rather a request to gather different Chopin Etudes recordings and this can be an ongoing request even if the OP is gone.


If the OP isn't around to see the responses, why would it be an ongoing request? That makes no sense at all to me. An ongoing request by whom?

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wr: It's one thing to ask "I have a problem (pain) in my hand, very specifically here, because I..." and another to be discussing recordings for some of the best known etudes ever composed... I think...

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Originally Posted by Nikolas
wr: It's one thing to ask "I have a problem (pain) in my hand, very specifically here, because I..." and another to be discussing recordings for some of the best known etudes ever composed... I think...


Oh, right, there should be a sticky thread of Chopin etudes recordings, because we're all just desperately interested in great recordings of them that have appeared since that original thread (as if there were any).

And, sure, we also need stickies regarding Bach WTC recordings, and Beethoven sonata recordings, and Liszt TE recordings, and Brahms Paganini variations recordings, and, of course, Chopin mazurka recordings and Chopin ballade recordings and Chopin scherzo recordings and Chopin sonata recordings and Chopin Fantasie Impromptu recordings and Chopin Preludes recordings, as well as Beethoven's Diabelli and Bach's Goldberg and Brahms' Handel variation set....

I forgot, my bad. Please, zombies, don't mind me!!



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Re: Chopin Etudes Recordings [Re: kluurs] #2084805
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Originally Posted by kluurs
Rubinstein recorded 4 of the etudes during his Recital in Moscow. I believe there are some other recordings from recitals that are out there.

My teacher said that he believed that there was a film of Horowitz performing some (all?) of the etudes.

Ken


Coming to this ten years after the original post: I did see a film of Horowitz playing Op 10/4, but it was a SILENT film shot in slow motion, made (I think) in 1927, before talkies.


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