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#2083255 - 05/15/13 05:06 PM Yamaha CLP-430 vs. Kawai CN24/CN34  
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I just started taking piano lessons two weeks ago and I'm wanting to buy a digital piano. My main goal is to learn classical so I'm looking for something that I can grow into and still be satisfied with as I become more advanced.

My budget is ~$2000 - $2500 at the most. The only thing I care about is realistic key touch and sound, that's it.

I recently found a Yamaha CLP-430 for $1899 and thought it was a pretty good deal. I tried it out and loved it, I couldn't tell the difference between it and the Roland HPi-7F that my teacher has (other than the ivory keytops).

I've also read really good things about the Kawai CN24/CN34 and ES7, the only thing is the closest Kawai dealer is 6 hours away. I couldn't get exact prices from them though, the guy on the phone would only tell me all three models fit within my budget. I'm guessing the CN34 and ES7(with stand/pedals) are close to $2500 while the CN24 is closer to the price of the Yamaha CLP-430.

I guess my question is: Does anybody know if the Kawai pianos would be worth the 12 hours of driving and/or extra $500? Or can I expect the realism of the key touch and sounds to be about the same? I'm kind of leaning towards the Yamaha because of the price, but would spend the extra money if the Kawai's are worth it.

Any comments would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks
Brett

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#2083284 - 05/15/13 06:29 PM Re: Yamaha CLP-430 vs. Kawai CN24/CN34 [Re: brmc2tt]  
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What I heard: $500 cheaper and easier to get serviced if there's an issue.

#2083287 - 05/15/13 06:35 PM Re: Yamaha CLP-430 vs. Kawai CN24/CN34 [Re: brmc2tt]  
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Brett, I'm a little biased, however I truly believe that Kawai instruments compete very well against equivalently priced Yamaha models, and I expect you would be very happy with the sound and keyboard action quality of both the CN24 and CN34.

However, whether this is enough to justify a 12 hour round trip is perhaps another matter. Given that you've played the Yamaha already, and are happy with the instrument's sound, feel, and price, I would probably opt for the CLP-430 - 12 hours practising and learning music is surely more productive than sitting behind the wheel.

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#2083489 - 05/16/13 02:25 AM Re: Yamaha CLP-430 vs. Kawai CN24/CN34 [Re: brmc2tt]  
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As you have the Yamaha dealer close to you and the Yamahas are nice instruments as the Kawais are, I wouldn´t think that going for a Yamaha would be a wrong decision.
Maybe you want to check with your dealer how much he wants for a CLP 440, instead of aiming at the 430. I once compared both of them and felt the 440 to be notably better. I couldn´t really figure out what is was, because according to technical specifications the keybeds should have been the same. But the 440 to me felt much better when playing it, more mature. After reading here on the forum for almost a year, I assume that the same keys with some adhanced electronics here and there, i.e. better DA converters, a more powerfull speaker system or just geometrically bigger sized speakers (just examples, I do not know what are the differences betwen the 430 in 440 in technical terms!), all such things in combination can make a significant difference for the final feel, for the feedback you are obtaining from your instrument. The equivalent to the CLP 440 would be the CN 34 then, if I am informed correctly.
Spend as much as you can afford, a better instrument will help you to stay motiviated and advance well, whih will pay off your investment by the fun you receive from it. Losing motivation because feeling unfomfortable with your instrument means the opposite: you will lose a lot of money wink

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#2083495 - 05/16/13 02:46 AM Re: Yamaha CLP-430 vs. Kawai CN24/CN34 [Re: brmc2tt]  
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Like Marco says. If I remember the specs correctly, there is a considerable difference between 430 and 440, while not so much between 440 and other higher models, so if I were you, I would give CLP 440 a try. CN34 seems like a good value for money, between this nad ES7 I might consider ES7 for its portability.
Your teachers HPi-7F is very different from all the considered models and if you can't feel and hear the difference, maybe you are just not too picky (unlike most of us here) and simply take whatever feels right for reasonable price.

#2083505 - 05/16/13 03:30 AM Re: Yamaha CLP-430 vs. Kawai CN24/CN34 [Re: brmc2tt]  
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If you want to have a fairly thorough idea of what's upgraded in CLP-440 from CLP-430, have a look at page 9 of this document (the official Yamaha DP brochure). It's a 10 MB file so it may take a bit to download.


-- Zbynek N.

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#2083544 - 05/16/13 06:22 AM Re: Yamaha CLP-430 vs. Kawai CN24/CN34 [Re: Hookxs]  
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To the OP: I think that Kawai CA-15 fits your budget (I'm not sure because of the currency, in Europe it costs around 1700 eur). It has a high quality wooden action that could make a difference. Maybe it's worth the trip and the few hundred bucks difference from the CN-24/34.

Regarding the main differences between Yamaha's CLP 430, 440, 470 and 480, very briefly and saving many details, they are:

- All of them share the same RGE tone generator.
- 430 has a plain plastic GH3 (Graded hammer with 3rd sensor for faster repetition) action
- 440 upgrades to a plastic GH3 action with an ivory like surface.
- 470 has a side wooden cover for each key (the keys aren't fully wooden) and Linear Graded Hammers. It's like graded hammer (the lower notes weight more than the trebble ones) but while GH uses four zones of weights, Linear Graded uses one specific weigh for each note. I don't know if it is a really noticeable feature.
- 480 has a very expensive three way amplification plus hundreds of additional sounds.

It's curious but although the differences between each are theoretically subtle, they feel different each one.

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#2083560 - 05/16/13 07:27 AM Re: Yamaha CLP-430 vs. Kawai CN24/CN34 [Re: brmc2tt]  
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There are other differences, if I am not mistaken, 430 misses some resonance simulations.

#2083680 - 05/16/13 12:08 PM Re: Yamaha CLP-430 vs. Kawai CN24/CN34 [Re: brmc2tt]  
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Yes, the CLP-440 also has escapement simulation and somewhat better sound system.


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#2084337 - 05/17/13 04:43 PM Re: Yamaha CLP-430 vs. Kawai CN24/CN34 [Re: brmc2tt]  
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Thanks to everybody who replied, I really appreciate the feedback. Unfortunately I couldn't afford the CLP-440 so I decided to go with the CLP-430 and I'm extremely satisfied with it so far. It felt kind of stiff at first compared to the store model but maybe it just needed to be broken in or maybe I got used to it because the more I play it, the more I love it. It feels and sound great. I'm only an amateur but hopefully my opinion will stay the same as I get more advanced.

Best Regards,
Brett

#2084537 - 05/18/13 02:21 AM Re: Yamaha CLP-430 vs. Kawai CN24/CN34 [Re: brmc2tt]  
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Congratulations, and enjoy!
See you in the Adult Beginner Forum of pianoworld now wink

#2085774 - 05/20/13 12:38 PM Re: Yamaha CLP-430 vs. Kawai CN24/CN34 [Re: brmc2tt]  
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I have the 440 and really love it. But honestly....the 430 was amazing too. I would have been thrilled with either one but the ivory key tops on the 440 felt nice and I liked the music stand a little better. You will love your 430. that was an excellent price.


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#2086304 - 05/21/13 01:49 PM Re: Yamaha CLP-430 vs. Kawai CN24/CN34 [Re: brmc2tt]  
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I was in the very same situation last week. I had ~$2500 at most to spend and was deciding between the 430 and 440. The price difference was roughly $700. I decided to go for the 440 after trying both. I really liked the feel of the key tops on the 440. The key action felt the same, but I am not an expert. I also wanted a bigger sound from the speakers, as I have been unhappy with the small sound of my current Yamaha S31. I wanted something satisfying for many years to come, so I thought the additional sample features (key off, string resonance, stereo sustain) would pay off in the long run. Basically, if I am going to pay $2000 for a piano, I may as well pay a bit more to get one that will last me feature-wise.

#2086655 - 05/22/13 07:45 AM Re: Yamaha CLP-430 vs. Kawai CN24/CN34 [Re: Daniel Corban]  
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Daniel, that's exactly the same thing my husband said. If we are paying this much for a piano, spend a few hundred more and get the next step up. For me, the difference between the 440 and the 430 was only $300 though, so it was not much more to go with the 440.

I have since taken a few lessons on the 430 and really do see a difference between the 430 and 440....most notably the feel of the keytops. I really do enjoy the more powerful speakers as well.


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