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Hi Custard, Aeolian is used often on vi-7 especially in the very common Cmaj7 A-7 D-7 G7 progression , like in "I Can't Get Started" or "Blue Moon".
and Phrygian on iii-7
iii-7 vi-7 ii-7 V7
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Thanks to Chris who noted that I could still join, I did join the course! Here's assignment 1 for which I'll get no credit (not that I need any). http://snd.sc/1396BXrNice Knotty, very nice. Anyway, I find it odd the way Burton approaches improv. 10 scales to learn but it isn't quite clear when to use which. For example, when are Phrygian and Aeolian used? Lesson two is about scales, not chords, that's next week. The approach, as I understand it, is getting to know the sound/texture and shape of the different scales; from light to dark (like Gaffa tape; it has a light and a dark side - keep the Universe together . . . ). However, there is a method to this "madness", it's Gary Burton's method for ... sake. So there must be a reason why he's teaching the stuff in this manner. Look at the scale choices we have been given for the 2nd assignment, nothing arbitrary there.
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I know some here dont like harmonic minor in jazz (I wont say any names). but I do, so take that Sweden ;-) Yep. And I'm man enough to admit it.
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Hi Custard, Aeolian is used often on vi-7 especially in the very common Cmaj7 A-7 D-7 G7 progression , like in "I Can't Get Started" or "Blue Moon".
and Phrygian on iii-7
iii-7 vi-7 ii-7 V7 Thanks rintincop, I didn't know that. I found "I Can't Get Started" in Real Book 6th, and will play around with it tomorrow. Are you suggesting that the b6 in the leads to the A ? Are there any excerpts of solos which use Phrygian ? Cheers cus
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thank you Chris and rintincop and cus. That makes perfect sense.
Chris, I am looking forward to that Barrista in 2 months. I hear Sweden is the largest consumer of coffee.
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Chris, I am looking forward to that Barrista in 2 months. I hear Sweden is the largest consumer of coffee. Ah yes, Quills. Great coffee! Sorry, only 6th, the Finns are the heaviest consumers.
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So assignment 2; 6 Scales: http://snd.sc/10ltJEk
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I kind of like yours a whole lot more than I like mine. The six vignettes put together is really nice. I tried to put them all together with one theme and common notes transitioning. Ugh. I also start and end with a bar or two of C (not in the lesson), but shoot me. Ken's Week 2 assignment
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Thanks. I played them one after another . . I found it very stimulating and challenging.
Pow! Nice idea that, putting a chord/scale/mode as a start and end. I'm so a... that I "have to" follow the given order . . . it's great hearing other version; very interesting. . . . nicely played.
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Thanks! I'm not sure if I'll redo it, but its really giving me a hankerin' to look at working up a modal jazz tune now.
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wow I wish I could "see" the notes being played. Ofcourse I could transcribe and know the scales which are used.. but that will take too much time for just an exercise.. but some really neat ideas!!! Love it Love what u guys do with the left hand.. I will try the exercise tomorrow but I think it's likely I'll only just play the chords
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I'm definitely going to redo this. I thought that I could make the scales sound like they had the right character even though I was was playing them over LH that was different (like D Dorian over C6add11 preceded by a G to C bass note). I was wrong, wrong wrong. At the end of the day, it sounds like just playing in C no matter what you emphasize in the RH. I made that mistake on some of the others too. So a redo is in order. It is a nice little exercise, though. Now I know for sure what the sound difference would be.
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Hey Chris You've captured the six different modes really really well. Thanks for posting.
Hey Ken Looking forward to your new version. Yup, you have it, moving out of the parent scale is the key.
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Chris and Ken, thanks for sharing! Great playing! Ken, nice idea using Flamenco Sketches. That's the same motif Bill Evans also uses on Peace Piece, and is a great vehicle for modal improvisation. I enjoyed hearing how you used it for the assignment.
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Just checked out the new assignment. 500 Miles High?! Whoa, this is going to scare a lot of folks off (those who haven't left already). All I can figure is that Gary wanted to find a tune where a more traditional functional analysis doesn't work, so his more deductive approach to chord scales would be needed. I'm can't tell where the key centers are on this tune, though I do spot a minor 2-5-1 in there.
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Hey Chris. You've captured the six different modes really really well. Thanks for posting. Thanks Custard . . and thanks LW. Appreciate that you had a listen.
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Anyone got any tips for (easy) LH patters for the week 2 assignment? I hear u guys do all kind of stuff but don't know what (maybe it is advanced so I can't even know )..
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Hopefully I fixed them to keep the character of the scales. Ken's Fixed Up Scale Lesson
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Thanks for picking up on the Flemenco Sketches. I wasn't sure if it was identifiable enough to pick up.
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I have to say the method for finding scales is very very interesting. I'll try and post a version 500 Miles in a few days.
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