Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2.5 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
What's Hot!!
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
(125ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Piano Buyer Guide
Piano Buyer Fall 2017
Who's Online Now
72 registered members (Anita Potter, AZ_Astro, AprilE, anamnesis, 20 invisible), 1,659 guests, and 1 spider.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords & Scales
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
#2081845 - 05/13/13 10:19 AM How to teach pedal?  
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 177
red-rose Offline
Full Member
red-rose  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 177
Cleveland, OH
This has probably been discussed on here before, but my apologies since I can't seem to find anything.

How do you teach students how to properly use the sustain pedal?

This seems to me to be one of the most difficult things to explain and and for them to learn.

I think the difficulty is that it is the opposite of what seems natural. They want to make the foot and the finger do the "up-down" motion at the same time, but of course that leaves a gap in the sound which is exactly what we are trying to avoid.

When a student has trouble with this, one idea I have tried is to teach it in dramatic slow-motion ("ok, RH plays a C, push pedal down, now change smoothly change RH to a D, NOW quickly pedal up-down... Now let's practice pedaling even closer to when the RH changes notes..") This usually results in the student having a very jerky/awkward pedal "up-down" technique. They know they're supposed to do it "fast," but they can't quite grasp when.

Other ideas?

(ad)
Piano & Music Accessories
piano accessories music gifts tuning and moving equipment
#2081884 - 05/13/13 11:34 AM Re: How to teach pedal? [Re: red-rose]  
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 1,090
bzpiano Offline
1000 Post Club Member
bzpiano  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: May 2011
Posts: 1,090
Irvine, CA
Hand press C--hold on finger--foot go up down--hold on foot
--hand press D--hold on finger--foot go up down--hold on foot
--hand press E--hold on finger--foot go up down--hold on foot.....


Piano lessons in Irvine, CA
Follow my 4YO student here: http://bit.ly/FollowMeiY
#2081887 - 05/13/13 11:43 AM Re: How to teach pedal? [Re: red-rose]  
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 15,033
keystring Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
keystring  Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 15,033
Canada
This may seem an odd suggestion, but over on the ABF a number of ideas and resources on ideas have been flowing in on just that subject. http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2081000/Pedaling.html#Post2081000

#2082032 - 05/13/13 05:08 PM Re: How to teach pedal? [Re: bzpiano]  
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 7,245
AZNpiano Offline
7000 Post Club Member
AZNpiano  Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 7,245
Orange County, CA
Originally Posted by ezpiano.org
Hand press C--hold on finger--foot go up down--hold on foot
--hand press D--hold on finger--foot go up down--hold on foot
--hand press E--hold on finger--foot go up down--hold on foot.....

This works? Seriously?


Private Piano Teacher and MTAC Member
#2082042 - 05/13/13 05:41 PM Re: How to teach pedal? [Re: red-rose]  
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,008
musicpassion Online content
2000 Post Club Member
musicpassion  Online Content
2000 Post Club Member

Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,008
California, USA
For teaching legato pedaling, I do have the student work slowly at first, as I think you are describing. I think it is important that the music (or exercise) they are first using their pedaling on is very easy for them. The music must be easy enough or well learned enough so they have the brain power to focus on the pedaling.

I show them how it should be done more than verbally describing it.

However when I do describe it,I describe it as lifting the pedal as the keys fall for the next notes. Most students also need coaching in making their pedal movements efficient - using no more than required motion and keeping the heel planted.


Pianist and Piano Teacher
#2082043 - 05/13/13 05:43 PM Re: How to teach pedal? [Re: AZNpiano]  
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,008
musicpassion Online content
2000 Post Club Member
musicpassion  Online Content
2000 Post Club Member

Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,008
California, USA
Originally Posted by AZNpiano
Originally Posted by ezpiano.org
Hand press C--hold on finger--foot go up down--hold on foot
--hand press D--hold on finger--foot go up down--hold on foot
--hand press E--hold on finger--foot go up down--hold on foot.....

This works? Seriously?


It sounds confusing to me too. Is this is an exercise EZ's students use?


Pianist and Piano Teacher
#2082091 - 05/13/13 07:16 PM Re: How to teach pedal? [Re: red-rose]  
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 1,090
bzpiano Offline
1000 Post Club Member
bzpiano  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: May 2011
Posts: 1,090
Irvine, CA
Yes it works.
If you are not teaching in this way doesn't means other teachers cannot teach in this way and it also doesn't mean it won't work for other teachers.
If you doubt about if it works or not, the best thing you can do is to try out with one of your student then come back to tell me that it won't work on your students.
If after you try out with your student and it doesn't work, it just means that it won't work for you or for your student, it doesn't mean it won't work on MY teaching and MY students.
So, in conclusion, your comment is dispensable in this thread.


Piano lessons in Irvine, CA
Follow my 4YO student here: http://bit.ly/FollowMeiY
#2082105 - 05/13/13 07:38 PM Re: How to teach pedal? [Re: musicpassion]  
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 177
red-rose Offline
Full Member
red-rose  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 177
Cleveland, OH
Originally Posted by musicpassion
Originally Posted by AZNpiano
Originally Posted by ezpiano.org
Hand press C--hold on finger--foot go up down--hold on foot
--hand press D--hold on finger--foot go up down--hold on foot
--hand press E--hold on finger--foot go up down--hold on foot.....

This works? Seriously?


It sounds confusing to me too. Is this is an exercise EZ's students use?

I think you're way reading into this the wrong way. This is simply a slowed-down description of how anyone is supposed to properly pedal...

#2082138 - 05/13/13 08:52 PM Re: How to teach pedal? [Re: red-rose]  
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 7,245
AZNpiano Offline
7000 Post Club Member
AZNpiano  Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 7,245
Orange County, CA
Originally Posted by PianoStudent88
PA has you play whole notes in a scale. First pedal on beat 2. Then after you have that, pedal on the & of beat 1. Then progress to syncopated pedaling. I found that it helped me get the coordination of hand/finger/key and foot/pedal movement.

That.


Private Piano Teacher and MTAC Member
#2082140 - 05/13/13 08:56 PM Re: How to teach pedal? [Re: red-rose]  
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 247
Beth_Frances Offline
Full Member
Beth_Frances  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 247
Brisbane, Australia
I always use the exercise in book 2B of piano adventures. I had no idea how to teach it before I found that! It helps that the first piece after the exercise is "Beach Party" which kids love to play.

#2082143 - 05/13/13 09:03 PM Re: How to teach pedal? [Re: red-rose]  
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 7,639
John v.d.Brook Offline
7000 Post Club Member
John v.d.Brook  Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 7,639
Olympia, Washington, USA
The great romantic pianist, Anton Rubinstein, said that the pedal is the soul of the piano. That was an understatement if there ever was one!

Let's see: there's syncopated (legato) pedaling (with many timing variations), metric (on the beat) pedaling. Then there's full, half, quarter pedaling. Oh, and butterfly pedaling. And that's just with the damper pedal. Then we need to teach use of the sostenuto pedal and the una corda pedal.

You'd probably need a short book to cover all the teaching aspects of pedaling. FWIW, it's an on going project for most students. As they advance with their playing technique, we constantly work on improving the pedal technique.


"Those who dare to teach must never cease to learn." -- Richard Henry Dann
Full-time Private Piano Teacher offering Piano Lessons in Olympia, WA. www.mypianoteacher.com
Certified by the American College of Musicians; member NGPT, MTNA, WSMTA, OMTA
#2082173 - 05/13/13 10:03 PM Re: How to teach pedal? [Re: red-rose]  
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 7,639
John v.d.Brook Offline
7000 Post Club Member
John v.d.Brook  Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 7,639
Olympia, Washington, USA
So here's my take on teaching very elementary damper pedal technique.

First, I teach proper foot placement. Heel on the floor, never elevated; ball of foot over the end (wide) part of the pedal. Use a gentle down and up motion, pivoting at the ankle. Under no circumstances should you allow the student to raise the heel off the floor.

I generally start them off with syncopated pedaling. Play the note, then press the pedal. Release the note, then release the pedal. This permits a legato sound and is generally enough for the first few years or so. But as soon as the student can handle it, I teach them to sense where the pedal picks up the dampers and the point where further depression of the pedal becomes wasted motion. There is no sense to "over pedal" and if you're repeating pedal motion, you should learn how far up to raise the pedal and then go no further. I don't know if this makes sense or not, but the range of the damper pedal is about double the actual distance required just to begin lifting the dampers to the point that the dampers are fully lifted off of the strings.

The technique can then be transferred to other pedal timings, which follow as the student advances.



"Those who dare to teach must never cease to learn." -- Richard Henry Dann
Full-time Private Piano Teacher offering Piano Lessons in Olympia, WA. www.mypianoteacher.com
Certified by the American College of Musicians; member NGPT, MTNA, WSMTA, OMTA
#2082594 - 05/14/13 05:03 PM Re: How to teach pedal? [Re: red-rose]  
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 7,245
AZNpiano Offline
7000 Post Club Member
AZNpiano  Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 7,245
Orange County, CA
And every piano's damper pedal has different depths. One needs to listen attentively in order to adjust to the instrument's pedal and to the acoustics of the room. Earlier this year I was evaluating CM in a small room with a Steinway that has the shallowest pedals I've ever seen. Every single kid struggled with it; notes got cut off, and I heard some of the driest chord progressions.

On the subject of the soft pedal (una corda), I have a few students who are doing gradations of soft pedal. It's one of those fascinating ideas, extremely helpful for playing Debussy.


Private Piano Teacher and MTAC Member
#2082783 - 05/14/13 09:43 PM Re: How to teach pedal? [Re: red-rose]  
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 2,014
Peter K. Mose Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Peter K. Mose  Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 2,014
Toronto, Ontario
AZN, maybe I'm misunderstanding your anecdote, but if you say a piano has a *shallow* damper pedal, I would think this means that one's foot only has to depress it slightly for it to function. In other words, the dampers would lift off the strings almost as soon as the foot contacts the pedal.

Why would that make for struggle, or chopped-off notes, or dry chords for kids? I'm confused.

#2082844 - 05/15/13 12:05 AM Re: How to teach pedal? [Re: Peter K. Mose]  
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 7,245
AZNpiano Offline
7000 Post Club Member
AZNpiano  Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 7,245
Orange County, CA
Originally Posted by Peter K. Mose
AZN, maybe I'm misunderstanding your anecdote, but if you say a piano has a *shallow* damper pedal, I would think this means that one's foot only has to depress it slightly for it to function. In other words, the dampers would lift off the strings almost as soon as the foot contacts the pedal.

Why would that make for struggle, or chopped-off notes, or dry chords for kids? I'm confused.

Because most pianos' pedal have a certain depth to allow for gradations of pedaling. When kids are confronted with a shallow pedal, they don't know what to do. There was hardly any gradation; half- or quarter-pedal was nearly impossible. It was all or nothing.

That's why I tell all of my students to test the pedal before playing.


Private Piano Teacher and MTAC Member
#2083490 - 05/16/13 02:32 AM Re: How to teach pedal? [Re: AZNpiano]  
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 5,690
Gary D. Online content
5000 Post Club Member
Gary D.  Online Content
5000 Post Club Member

Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 5,690
South Florida
Originally Posted by AZNpiano
Originally Posted by Peter K. Mose
AZN, maybe I'm misunderstanding your anecdote, but if you say a piano has a *shallow* damper pedal, I would think this means that one's foot only has to depress it slightly for it to function. In other words, the dampers would lift off the strings almost as soon as the foot contacts the pedal.

Why would that make for struggle, or chopped-off notes, or dry chords for kids? I'm confused.

Because most pianos' pedal have a certain depth to allow for gradations of pedaling. When kids are confronted with a shallow pedal, they don't know what to do. There was hardly any gradation; half- or quarter-pedal was nearly impossible. It was all or nothing.

That's why I tell all of my students to test the pedal before playing.

Usually - not always - the pedal is out of adjustment. There should always a bit of "play" at the "top", and it needs to be there. You would not want the pedal to begin lifting the dampers when it is depressed a tiny fraction of an inch.

But the big problem usually happens when the pedal has to be depressed too FAR before it begins to "engage". And if the adjustment is that wacky, there will be other problems. Probably the dampers will not lift uniformly or "cleanly" so you will have to be especially careful about lifting the pedal far enough to get a clean "clear".

With the low pedal setting the attempt to go high enough to get a clear change will be too much - because the pedal is set so low. Then you have to remember to re-depress the pedal way down or the sustained notes will bleed away as IF they are half pedaled.

And that totally wipes out the feel for real half pedaling.

It also makes it very hard to do the light "flutter" or "butterfly" pedal, because there is no feel.


Piano Teacher
#2083553 - 05/16/13 06:57 AM Re: How to teach pedal? [Re: Gary D.]  
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 7,639
John v.d.Brook Offline
7000 Post Club Member
John v.d.Brook  Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 7,639
Olympia, Washington, USA
And, Gary, as your point well illustrates, regular piano maintenance by students and TEACHERS is critical to good education.


"Those who dare to teach must never cease to learn." -- Richard Henry Dann
Full-time Private Piano Teacher offering Piano Lessons in Olympia, WA. www.mypianoteacher.com
Certified by the American College of Musicians; member NGPT, MTNA, WSMTA, OMTA
#2083989 - 05/17/13 03:23 AM Re: How to teach pedal? [Re: red-rose]  
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 31
Kevin K Offline
Full Member
Kevin K  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 31
This is one of the things I talked about with Dr. Kolar in Part 2 of our interview.

You can check it out here: http://www.irvinepianostudio.com/2/...hopins-pieces-with-dr-j-mitzi-kolar.html

She shares a couple ways to teach syncopated pedaling around the 19:00 mark. Like what ezpiano mentioned, your mileage may vary depending on the student. That's what makes teaching piano so fun! Coming up with different ways to teach different students. HAHA.

I have also found that talking about the PURPOSE of syncopated pedaling--to connect one note to the next using the FOOT(pedal)--and focusing on listening helps a lot. When the student understands the purpose, it fixes the "opposite of what seems natural" thing you talk about.

Also, musicpassion is right about the exercise being super easy when learning to pedal. Pedagogically, whenever you introduce a new concept/skill, you want to make sure the student isn't bogged down with any other technical difficulties. Makes sense right? smile



http://www.irvinepianostudio.com

Piano Teacher in Irvine, CA
#2084911 - 05/18/13 07:10 PM Re: How to teach pedal? [Re: red-rose]  
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 71
pianopaws Offline
Full Member
pianopaws  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 71
North Carolina, USA
One exercise I have found that works well with my students is to have them play a scale slowly, saying the word "up" as they play each note. Then have them say "up" as they play each note and "down" after they play the note. Finally, add the pedal and have the foot match the words the student is saying. This seems to help those students who can't quite coordinate the foot and hand movements.

Oh, and don't forget to remind them about keeping the heel down! I like to demonstrate for my students how silly it looks to lift your whole foot off the floor when you pedal. We get a good laugh from that!


M.M., Piano performance and pedagogy
Member, MTNA and NCMTA
#2084929 - 05/18/13 07:41 PM Re: How to teach pedal? [Re: pianopaws]  
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 7,639
John v.d.Brook Offline
7000 Post Club Member
John v.d.Brook  Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 7,639
Olympia, Washington, USA
Your comments reminded me of something my students probably laugh at - I tell them to "tie a string from their fingers to their foot, so when they raise their fingers from the keys, they are pulling up their foot at the same time." That mental picture helps quite a few students.


"Those who dare to teach must never cease to learn." -- Richard Henry Dann
Full-time Private Piano Teacher offering Piano Lessons in Olympia, WA. www.mypianoteacher.com
Certified by the American College of Musicians; member NGPT, MTNA, WSMTA, OMTA
#2084934 - 05/18/13 07:51 PM Re: How to teach pedal? [Re: red-rose]  
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 1,090
bzpiano Offline
1000 Post Club Member
bzpiano  Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Joined: May 2011
Posts: 1,090
Irvine, CA
Originally Posted by John
tie a string from their fingers to their foot, so when they raise their fingers from the keys, they are pulling up their foot at the same time.


Maybe I am wrong, I thought the hand foot motion are not at the same time? Almost the same time, but not exactly the same time?


Piano lessons in Irvine, CA
Follow my 4YO student here: http://bit.ly/FollowMeiY
#2084935 - 05/18/13 07:55 PM Re: How to teach pedal? [Re: bzpiano]  
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 7,639
John v.d.Brook Offline
7000 Post Club Member
John v.d.Brook  Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 7,639
Olympia, Washington, USA
Depends on the kind of pedaling you're doing. This obviously doesn't work for syncopated pedaling.


"Those who dare to teach must never cease to learn." -- Richard Henry Dann
Full-time Private Piano Teacher offering Piano Lessons in Olympia, WA. www.mypianoteacher.com
Certified by the American College of Musicians; member NGPT, MTNA, WSMTA, OMTA
#2085221 - 05/19/13 12:44 PM Re: How to teach pedal? [Re: bzpiano]  
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 177
red-rose Offline
Full Member
red-rose  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 177
Cleveland, OH
Originally Posted by ezpiano.org
Originally Posted by John
tie a string from their fingers to their foot, so when they raise their fingers from the keys, they are pulling up their foot at the same time.


Maybe I am wrong, I thought the hand foot motion are not at the same time? Almost the same time, but not exactly the same time?

Hmm...yeah. This is exactly the kind of problem/motion that I'm trying to avoid.

#2085243 - 05/19/13 01:19 PM Re: How to teach pedal? [Re: red-rose]  
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 15,033
keystring Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
keystring  Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 15,033
Canada
It's been pointed out to me that since it takes time for the dampers to fall after you release the pedal, therefore if the hand - foot motion is at the same time, the damper still responds after the key mechanism responds, therefore "same time" becomes "later" for the pedal - it works out.

An oddity: In on-line pedal instructions, a lot of the female teachers seem to wear rather high, high heels. Is this functional or aesthetic? It's going to hugely affect how the foot moves at the heel.

#2085281 - 05/19/13 02:34 PM Re: How to teach pedal? [Re: red-rose]  
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 7,639
John v.d.Brook Offline
7000 Post Club Member
John v.d.Brook  Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 7,639
Olympia, Washington, USA
Originally Posted by red-rose
Originally Posted by ezpiano.org
Originally Posted by John
tie a string from their fingers to their foot, so when they raise their fingers from the keys, they are pulling up their foot at the same time.


Maybe I am wrong, I thought the hand foot motion are not at the same time? Almost the same time, but not exactly the same time?

Hmm...yeah. This is exactly the kind of problem/motion that I'm trying to avoid.

And why do you want to avoid on-the-beat pedaling? It is used a lot in music.

Well, you might want to read a short little book, about 40 pages, on pedaling by Karl Ulrich Schnabel. Modern Technique of the Pedal. He, incidentally, is the son of Arthur Schnabel.

At any rate, I should have prefaced my remark by saying that this example is generally for slower releases on the beat or for the end of piece (primarily) or end of a major section. After all, there is nothing more confusing for an audience member to see a student end the piece, hands off the keys, and yet the piano is still playing. Or even worse, to be half standing while the piano is still singing.


"Those who dare to teach must never cease to learn." -- Richard Henry Dann
Full-time Private Piano Teacher offering Piano Lessons in Olympia, WA. www.mypianoteacher.com
Certified by the American College of Musicians; member NGPT, MTNA, WSMTA, OMTA
#2085318 - 05/19/13 03:33 PM Re: How to teach pedal? [Re: John v.d.Brook]  
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 177
red-rose Offline
Full Member
red-rose  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 177
Cleveland, OH
Originally Posted by John v.d.Brook

And why do you want to avoid on-the-beat pedaling? It is used a lot in music.

Because, like I said in my original question, I'm trying to teach pedal to avoid "gaps in the sound." I'm rather confused about what teaching "finger up and foot up" has to do with this issue.

#2085390 - 05/19/13 07:01 PM Re: How to teach pedal? [Re: red-rose]  
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 7,245
AZNpiano Offline
7000 Post Club Member
AZNpiano  Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 7,245
Orange County, CA
I think John is trying to explain an advanced technique, while the rest of the teachers are still dealing Piano Adventures 2B.


Private Piano Teacher and MTAC Member
#2085408 - 05/19/13 08:02 PM Re: How to teach pedal? [Re: keystring]  
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 7,639
John v.d.Brook Offline
7000 Post Club Member
John v.d.Brook  Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 7,639
Olympia, Washington, USA
Originally Posted by keystring
An oddity: In on-line pedal instructions, a lot of the female teachers seem to wear rather high, high heels. Is this functional or aesthetic? It's going to hugely affect how the foot moves at the heel.

Keystring, I'm sorry to learn this. It's challenging enough to pedal with the control required for masterful playing, but to add this albatross seems foolish. I recommend my female students restrict their heal size so they don't lose control.


"Those who dare to teach must never cease to learn." -- Richard Henry Dann
Full-time Private Piano Teacher offering Piano Lessons in Olympia, WA. www.mypianoteacher.com
Certified by the American College of Musicians; member NGPT, MTNA, WSMTA, OMTA
#2085600 - 05/20/13 06:17 AM Re: How to teach pedal? [Re: John v.d.Brook]  
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 16,155
Morodiene Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Morodiene  Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 16,155
Boynton Beach, FL
Originally Posted by John v.d.Brook
Originally Posted by keystring
An oddity: In on-line pedal instructions, a lot of the female teachers seem to wear rather high, high heels. Is this functional or aesthetic? It's going to hugely affect how the foot moves at the heel.

Keystring, I'm sorry to learn this. It's challenging enough to pedal with the control required for masterful playing, but to add this albatross seems foolish. I recommend my female students restrict their heal size so they don't lose control.
The only instance where this is helpful is if the piano is on a dolly. Otherwise, it's usually awkward, but can be overcome if you practice in the heels. A bigger concern would be the heels that are chunky on the front end (lifts?) as your foot will contact with the pedal sooner than expected. Again, practice will help, but it's not something that one should worry about when learning to pedal, for sure.


private piano/voice teacher FT

[Linked Image][Linked Image][Linked Image]
[Linked Image]
#2085614 - 05/20/13 06:53 AM Re: How to teach pedal? [Re: red-rose]  
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 15,033
keystring Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
keystring  Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 15,033
Canada
I am rather curious why these teachers demonstrate pedal in heels. I looked to see if any male teachers had some type of elevation in the heel of their shoes. I am thinking that if they are not trying to look pretty, that it may be a problem with lifting the foot because that can be done the wrong way. Or maybe if you wear heels all the time, certain ligaments are shortened. It's when the majority of on-line female teachers seemed to be in heels, that I started to get quite curious.

John v.d. Brooke mentioned in passing that the foot raises at the ankle. That is a very important point, because that is the actual point of movement rather than the heel. Apparently knowing this can fix a lot of discomfort that some people have. This simple act of raising and lowering the foot over and over can cause back discomfort which can creep into the shoulders and arms. Knowing all this is why the heels caught my attention.

Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Ken Knapp 

Piano Acc. & Gift Items in
Piano World's Online Store
In PianoSupplies.com ,(a division of Piano World)
our online store for piano and music gifts and accessories, Digital Piano Dolly, party goods, tuning equipment, piano moving equipment, benches, lamps Caster Cups and more.


Free Shipping* on Jansen Artist Piano Benches, Cocoweb Piano Lamps, Hidrau Hydraulic Piano Benches
(*free shipping within contiguous U.S. only)
(ad)
Pearl River & Ritmuller
Pearl River Pianos
(ad)
Pianoteq
PianoTeq 6 Out now
ad
Pierce Piano Atlas


New Topics - Multiple Forums
Possible Savings on an ETD App
by DavidWB. 11/18/17 10:16 PM
Pianoteq 6 Recording Function Glitch
by newbert. 11/18/17 04:10 PM
collapsing pinky
by Muove. 11/18/17 02:22 PM
DP-10X built in speakers for Pianoteq?
by Tim1981. 11/18/17 12:16 PM
Forum Statistics
Forums44
Topics182,831
Posts2,672,838
Members89,158
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
(ad)
Accu-Tuner
Sanderson Accu-Tuner
Check It Out!
There's a lot more to Piano World than just the forums.
Click Here to
Explore The Rest of Piano World!!
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers


 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2017 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0