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#2080723 - 05/11/13 10:09 AM Help!  
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Hello all smile

I've got a non sounding key, due to trying to glue a snapped ribbon (that pulls the hammer back into position after striking the strings) and have managed to glue the ribbon to the hammer. It's really fiddly to get to, so was thinking it would be easier to sort out, if I took the front action (don't know if that what it is) off, but I'm scared incase something goes wrong. So was wondering if anyone can give me instructions on what's best to do. I will go and take some pics, and be back in a bit frown

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#2080726 - 05/11/13 10:18 AM Re: Help! [Re: wayne33yrs]  
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So I'm thinking, would I just turn the wooden knob things at either end (see pic 2) and then unscrew the brass rod at center top (see pic 3) Then it will just lift off?

Any help would be much appreciated smile

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Wayne, I would post a link to this thread in the technicians' forum, you should get some expert and safe advice there.

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Good thinking, will do, cheers smile

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You got it wayne, turn the ones at either end through 90 degrees, then unscrew the centre.

Pull it towards you at the top a little to clear the threads on that screw and then lift up and out.

Warning: have somewhere to put it down where it will not get knocked by either you, your partner or the dogs, also, somewhere that there isnt dog hair as this is a nuisance inside the piano.

It will have two little "locating feet" at either end (underneath) so when putting back ( reverse of removal) you have to locate these two feet in place first before screwing the screw down.

Watch that you get the soft pedal and damper pedal ends in place at the same time.

Wayne, I have taken thousands out to clean etc, once you have done it you will laugh at just how easy it is, promise.





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Cheers Rossy smile Here goes then, I'm a bit nervous though lol wink Will report back soon.

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Ok, yeah that wasn't too bad, although for some reason I thought it would be in two parts, but it's one sealed unit. So gaining access to where the ribbons are is still as niggly.

I'm stuck!

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The offending ribbon is the second one from the right. I dunno what to do frown

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Be back in two ticks, gonna upload a vid to YT to show folk what's happening, because of this blastid bostik!

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Advice from Piano Tech's!

Originally Posted by bkw58
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I would suggest replacing the piano with something newer.


The best recommendation by far.


lol wink

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Originally Posted by wayne33yrs
Advice from Piano Tech's!

Originally Posted by bkw58
Originally Posted by BDB
I would suggest replacing the piano with something newer.


The best recommendation by far.


lol wink


yeh righty o , thats about as helpfull as a chocolate firegaurd then.


Okay, wayne on the Offending key, if you lift up the "birdcage bar" on that one part of the action ( the bar that operates the damper for that key)

you will be able to hook it up and off the key,

Then you will see that the hammer and other parts of the action is actually only held in with TWO screws, one on the side, and sorry, but one underneath...

Undo these and you can then take off just that hammer and action parts to work on.




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Ps, when lifting up and off the birdcage bar for the damper for that hammer, dont lose the felts that will be on it at the bottom, you will see them.




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Cheers Rossy, will go and investigate. Piano techs are trying to tell me that the ribbon was not the problem, and I have made things worse by not knowing what I'm doing. They're really helpful over there lol. smile

Back in a bit, with updates/more cry's for help wink

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Originally Posted by dire tonic
Wayne, I would post a link to this thread in the technicians' forum, you should get some expert and safe advice there.


A very good use of the word "should" there Diretonic.

Yes Wayne should have got that, but unfortunately his piano didnt have the secret word on the front that garauntees the help.

Wayne, i will stick around till you have it sorted.




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Cheers Rossy, I've had a look, but the birdcage bar only lifts up a tad, because of the wooden beam at the top. Should I screw that off (if poss, not sure if it's also glued in places))

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There are screws at the back, I wonder whether just to undo these and see what happens!

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Ps. Is the magic word Steinway by anychance wink

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yes the magic word is that !! lol.


Yes you have found the screws! The lower two on the same part of the action, this will let you take off just one hammer assembly.

You can safely Bow the bar to get it out wayne, pull it towards you with one hand in the middle while unhooking it at the bottom, if it bends a tad dont fret it springs back.

just noticed the 15 pack of carling; warning: dont start on these till after reassembly.

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The lagers can be the reward, if successful wink Off I go then, and got to nip to the shop in a bit, be back here 'bout 7.30pm ish, with updates smile Thanks again Rossy smile

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no probs wayne. Take care dude.




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Update: Un-screwed the two bottom screws, gently pulled out the bar (the felts have stayed where they are, probabily stuck together with nicotine), and somehow, with a bit of jiggery pokery, got the lower part of the hammer off.

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Managed to free the ribbon. smile

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So now, a case of putting it back on, and back together. Will let you knwo the results wink

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Originally Posted by wayne33yrs
I've got a non sounding key, due to trying to glue a snapped ribbon (that pulls the hammer back into position after striking the strings) and have managed to glue the ribbon to the hammer.


Incidentally, I think, but am not certain, that the ribbon is actually called a "bridle strap".


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Eventually got the lower hammer back on, put the action back in the piano, and hey presto wink It's working fine smile ...... and now also, I don't have to worry about any other ribbons breaking, and can consider replacing them all at some point.

A huge thanks to Rossy for the help! Who needs Piano Tech's wink


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Bridle straps, okie-dokie, I do tend to make up the terminolgy as I go along wink

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Hey, a very educating thread! For what ever reason when ever I try something like that it usually ends in disaster and me calling the tech or plumber or electrician to come and put back together whatever I have destroyed. Glad it worked out for you Wayne.


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I suppose you need to get to know your piano inside and out lol. Real pleased with todays outcome smile Thanks Peyton smile

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............ and again, Thanks to Rossy smile

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This has to be the most interesting thread in a long time on here.
I kept reading on. Waiting, with baited breath, for the catastrophic failure, or major disaster. Or simpler terms; For everything to fall apart.
Still... I haven't seen it put back together yet?
Originally Posted by wayne33yrs
... I wonder whether just to undo these and see what happens!

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It's kind of funny, I checked out the thread on the Tech forum, and they didn't really want to help much. Ah well, glad there are those that do wish to help that did smile


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Hand it to Rostosky, he really knew exactly how to talk Wayne through this. Rossy, I have this 1992 Chevy Blazer and the right blinker doesn't turn off after the turn........ smile


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Originally Posted by rnaple

Still... I haven't seen it put back together yet?




Ok, will do pic posts tommorow, (already put the casing back on, and just doing supper, 11pm over here wink ) It was the F# key, below middle C smile

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Posted at the same time smile I know, Rossy is a star! xxx

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Originally Posted by Peyton
Hey, a very educating thread! For what ever reason when ever I try something like that it usually ends in disaster and me calling the tech or plumber or electrician to come and put back together whatever I have destroyed. Glad it worked out for you Wayne.


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Originally Posted by wayne33yrs
Cheers Rossy, will go and investigate. Piano techs are trying to tell me that the ribbon was not the problem, and I have made things worse by not knowing what I'm doing. They're really helpful over there lol. smile
Not really surprising, I guess. Kind of like posting in the Teacher's forum, and asking for the best way to teach yourself piano. smile Glad you got things working again!


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Originally Posted by wayne33yrs
Piano techs are trying to tell me that the ribbon was not the problem, and I have made things worse by not knowing what I'm doing. They're really helpful over there lol. smile


That’s so funny. Don’t worry about it, it’s just a display of professional arrogance. Also a bit of herd instinct; one tech makes a vaguely barbed comment, the others smell blood then pile in!

But congrats on the repair! (I bet the techs are all busily taking notes and storing your pics).


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Congratulations Wayne! I’m happy for you.

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We have the technology! excellent Wayne, now you have done the job and understood how the parts work , next time it will be a piece of cake.

With "OUR" ( non steinway) european pianos, a wartime "make do and mend" attitude can often do the job! Especially on "haunted" pianos like Waynes nans!

Lesson learned: do keep away from "Bostik" though, unless you are replacing missing or broken Key tops or ends ( the Ivory or plastic bits)

Should anyone else have their action out, thats a great time to hoover all the years of dust off it with a narrow hoover pipe end and a gentle toothbrush.

A makeshift and cheap way of doing this is to get a length of flexible plastic pipe such as a piece of hose pipe or petrol pipe and gaffa tape it onto the end of the hoover pipe.

This allows you to get into all the nooks and crannies.

The chevvy indicator problem,

if the indicators are not turning off after you have made the turn, you will find under the steering wheel that there is a piece of plastic (PTFE or on older vehicles metal) that has two "lugs" on it.

These lugs trip off the switch as the wheel is turned to the central position, if this is not happening, then usually one lug will be broken, chipped etc in some way that will be obvious upon inspection.

Replace. ( few dollars if that)






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Or, you get one of them 3d printers and make whatever parts you need smile


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Morodiene, for that particular part this would be an excellent idea, especially if you had other applications for the 3d printer to do to make it worthwhile moneywise.

I have a sneaky suspician about governments and 3d printers.
Although governments seem very stupid at times in their decision making, they employ folk who are very sneaky indeed.

How does this concern 3d printers one may ask?

Well, how many folk have had a stupid bit of odd shaped plastic snap rendering the item it came out of useless, unless one could get that odd shaped piece as a replacement.

they are in hoovers ( especially so dysons) in radios, in cd players, in keyboards, in vehicles, tv sets, nearly everything electrical from china etc etc etc etc etc.

the chances of getting one of those odd shaped plastic parts that you have just found broken in one of your usefull possesions, is usually slim to none, unless you aquire a cheap second hand item that is identical to canabilise.

So, what do folk do? they ditch the item and go buy another....

Another one, with usually, an odd shaped piece of plastic in it that is also essential to make the item function.

An odd shaped piece of plastic that is being overworked or is not up to the job and will break in the future.

OR made out of a plastic that will harden in time and go brittle as most plastics do, thus allowing it fail "prematurely"

So again Rossy , how does this concern governments and 3d printers?

IF, if you can make that part in seconds at home, you can now fix your item and many more that will fail in future.....

BY default, you have now just walked away from the cunsumerist throw away society, the very system that the governments want you to be fixated on, buy, buy , buy and buy again, this is what we want you doing says the government ,, to keep the economy/system/tax coming in/profits for the boys all letting us, ( The few) living the life of riley, whilst we tell you to pay up for the mess ups of the bankers.

So, If i was cynical about those in power, and if i saw any indication that the "powers that be" were attempting to make people scared about 3d printers, and If i suspected that anybody was constructing a "sneaky plan" to build a case where the public would accept the banning of 3d printers:

Then here I would be mentioning it......

well, its funny that I should have said that, because as it happens, very recently, i came accross this....

Massive media and scares of folk using 3d printers to make guns...
This from the bbc website....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22464360

BUT , just google 3d printer guns and you will see....

So, the propaganda begins....

I suspect they dont want us to have 3d printers and this is the begining..






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Originally Posted by Rostosky


The chevvy indicator problem,

if the indicators are not turning off after you have made the turn, you will find under the steering wheel that there is a piece of plastic (PTFE or on older vehicles metal) that has two "lugs" on it.

These lugs trip off the switch as the wheel is turned to the central position, if this is not happening, then usually one lug will be broken, chipped etc in some way that will be obvious upon inspection.

Replace. ( few dollars if that)




Cool. I'll check that out.


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I love mechanical devices!
They are logical and orderly.




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Originally Posted by rnaple
This has to be the most interesting thread in a long time on here.
I kept reading on. Waiting, with baited breath, for the catastrophic failure, or major disaster. Or simpler terms; For everything to fall apart.
Still... I haven't seen it put back together yet?
Originally Posted by wayne33yrs
... I wonder whether just to undo these and see what happens!

Famous last words.


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Its a great feeling when an annoying key becomes sorted!!
Well done Wayne, there may be another badge; RST + mechanic status.

I wonder if they would appreciate some disinformation on the tech forum.

"please help, I was just making some toast, when from a different room my steinway inexpicably exploded"

"My cat has become sterile since my new steinway was delivered, is this normal, as I was intending to sell the kittens?"

"Should I use a shotgun on my steinway in an attempt to sandblast the old finish off ready for "revarnishing", OR is it wiser to use moderately flammable paint stripper in conjunction with a blow-torch?"

"was thinking of taking my new steinway totaly to pieces to "see what happens" advice please.

deary me...




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Congratulations Wayne. I like to hope for the best, but expect the worst. It leaves much for humor. smile

Of course. Have to congratulate Rossy for a job well done.
I've begun to understand your view of Steinways. I wonder if the tech forum can help me with the problem that happened to mine:


Seriously.... I did research. Found out about the pushing them out the door because of demand. Unfinished. I'd never buy one because of this. People can keep their bandwagon mentality.


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Originally Posted by rnaple
Congratulations Wayne. I like to hope for the best, but expect the worst. It leaves much for humor. smile

Of course. Have to congratulate Rossy for a job well done.
I've begun to understand your view of Steinways. I wonder if the tech forum can help me with the problem that happened to mine:


Seriously.... I did research. Found out about the pushing them out the door because of demand. Unfinished. I'd never buy one because of this. People can keep their bandwagon mentality.
Did it disappear?


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Originally Posted by Morodiene
Did it disappear?[/quote]

I'm still playing it like a harp. The rest is still laying all over the floor.


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Originally Posted by rnaple
Originally Posted by Morodiene
Did it disappear?


I'm still playing it like a harp. The rest is still laying all over the floor. [/quote]

LOL!


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Sorry you didn't get much help on the tech forum - it's just that the nature of a piano like this means that walking someone through a possible repair for something diagnosed over the internet can lead to further damage, mistakes and a piano that still isn't fixed. Most experienced technicians have seen their fair share of bodged repair attempts from sheepish piano owners, and it's not nice to have to bill someone for a lot of work to fix something they damaged because they didn't want to pay a technician to do the original repair. I'm very glad you managed to get this done well yourself though!

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People botch in all walks of life Phil, not just in "pianos of "this" nature" (?)

The other side of the coin is that for far too long piano techs have tried to keep the inner working of ones piano a mystery to the owner.

Its been like a "secret tech society" almost, I mean what average owner in this country even knows what a Piano atlas is ?

What average owner understands the pencil marks put in by tuners and techs to pass info on, I mean come on, if some dude wrote stuff on the inside of your house without asking you, would you be happy? lol

As a lifelong mechanic, I find the inner workings in the action of a piano a beautiful, logical device, but furthermore: a totally understandable mechanical device.

And as such, anyone with a modicum of inteligence or desire to learn, can be helped to understand just what is happening in their own piano.

with the advent of electronic tuning devices that are extremely accurate and remarkable, folk now even have the opportunity to have a go at tuning, especially on a beat up piano maybe to begin with say for example.

I think the techs and tuners have been overprotective of "their" art, I helped wayne for the love of music, not for any profit.




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Originally Posted by Rostosky
Morodiene, for that particular part this would be an excellent idea, especially if you had other applications for the 3d printer to do to make it worthwhile moneywise.

I have a sneaky suspician about governments and 3d printers.
Although governments seem very stupid at times in their decision making, they employ folk who are very sneaky indeed.

How does this concern 3d printers one may ask?

Well, how many folk have had a stupid bit of odd shaped plastic snap rendering the item it came out of useless, unless one could get that odd shaped piece as a replacement.

they are in hoovers ( especially so dysons) in radios, in cd players, in keyboards, in vehicles, tv sets, nearly everything electrical from china etc etc etc etc etc.

the chances of getting one of those odd shaped plastic parts that you have just found broken in one of your usefull possesions, is usually slim to none, unless you aquire a cheap second hand item that is identical to canabilise.

So, what do folk do? they ditch the item and go buy another....

Another one, with usually, an odd shaped piece of plastic in it that is also essential to make the item function.

An odd shaped piece of plastic that is being overworked or is not up to the job and will break in the future.

OR made out of a plastic that will harden in time and go brittle as most plastics do, thus allowing it fail "prematurely"

So again Rossy , how does this concern governments and 3d printers?

IF, if you can make that part in seconds at home, you can now fix your item and many more that will fail in future.....

BY default, you have now just walked away from the cunsumerist throw away society, the very system that the governments want you to be fixated on, buy, buy , buy and buy again, this is what we want you doing says the government ,, to keep the economy/system/tax coming in/profits for the boys all letting us, ( The few) living the life of riley, whilst we tell you to pay up for the mess ups of the bankers.

So, If i was cynical about those in power, and if i saw any indication that the "powers that be" were attempting to make people scared about 3d printers, and If i suspected that anybody was constructing a "sneaky plan" to build a case where the public would accept the banning of 3d printers:

Then here I would be mentioning it......

well, its funny that I should have said that, because as it happens, very recently, i came accross this....

Massive media and scares of folk using 3d printers to make guns...
This from the bbc website....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22464360

BUT , just google 3d printer guns and you will see....

So, the propaganda begins....

I suspect they dont want us to have 3d printers and this is the begining..


Funny you bring up the guns, I was talking about this with hubby the other night. I know of so many things I could make with a 3d printer, too. It almost seems like science fiction! I'm sure they'll find a way to tax the bejabbers out of them and the materials. mad


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Originally Posted by Morodiene
I'm sure they'll find a way to tax the bejabbers out of them and the materials. mad


Is bejabbers the same as the beejeezus? I only ask because the other day I was thinking about the beejeezus and got to some serious contemplation about it.

My thinking went like this:

If you get the beejeezus scared out of you say, then that implies that there is some beejeezus allready present in each of us to be scared out of us?


Okay, but just how much? I mean if someone scared "some" beejeezus out of me, and then someone else realy scared some more beejeezus out of me, how long would it be before I ran out of beejeezus to have scared out of me?

(b.) Where does the beejeezus that is scared out of me go?
Does it get imparted into the scarer themselves?

Is there a limit to the amount of beejeezus one can acumalate by scaring it out of folk who are vulnerable to losing their beejeezus by unexpected frights?

Does our own beejeezus levels fluctuate? Or are we born with a lifetimes supply?

These are the things I ponder when the stresses of modern living become all pervading and I am feeling quite alone in the universe.




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Are beejeezus good? Is this something we really don't want to lose. If so then being scared is really a bad thing, especially if we lose beejeezus. Man, I wish I hadn't seen "Night of the Living Dead" when I was a kid because I think I lost most of my beejeezus right then. And who knows where it went. Maybe to the person sitting next to me? But I have a feeling her beejeezus was gone too. In fact I think the entire movie theater lost it's beejeezus that night. Did it all go to the director? If so then George A. Romero has a heck of a lot of beejeezus. What do you think he does with it all? Do we ever get beejeezus back? Maybe it builds back like, well...sperm. You go along after loosing your beejeezus feeling empty like and then...bam, you have it again! And out you go horror movie hopping losing your bejeezus again. And endless cycle. Sigh...


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This is starting to sound strangely similar to a conversation we had on the existence of "talent". wink

Allow me to submit: what if beejeezus are self-replacing? Wouldn't we then need to know at what rate, in order to determine how often we could safely be scared? wink


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Originally Posted by Morodiene
Originally Posted by Rostosky
Morodiene, for that particular part this would be an excellent idea, especially if you had other applications for the 3d printer to do to make it worthwhile moneywise.

I have a sneaky suspician about governments and 3d printers.
Although governments seem very stupid at times in their decision making, they employ folk who are very sneaky indeed.

How does this concern 3d printers one may ask?

Well, how many folk have had a stupid bit of odd shaped plastic snap rendering the item it came out of useless, unless one could get that odd shaped piece as a replacement.

they are in hoovers ( especially so dysons) in radios, in cd players, in keyboards, in vehicles, tv sets, nearly everything electrical from china etc etc etc etc etc.

the chances of getting one of those odd shaped plastic parts that you have just found broken in one of your usefull possesions, is usually slim to none, unless you aquire a cheap second hand item that is identical to canabilise.

So, what do folk do? they ditch the item and go buy another....

Another one, with usually, an odd shaped piece of plastic in it that is also essential to make the item function.

An odd shaped piece of plastic that is being overworked or is not up to the job and will break in the future.

OR made out of a plastic that will harden in time and go brittle as most plastics do, thus allowing it fail "prematurely"

So again Rossy , how does this concern governments and 3d printers?

IF, if you can make that part in seconds at home, you can now fix your item and many more that will fail in future.....

BY default, you have now just walked away from the cunsumerist throw away society, the very system that the governments want you to be fixated on, buy, buy , buy and buy again, this is what we want you doing says the government ,, to keep the economy/system/tax coming in/profits for the boys all letting us, ( The few) living the life of riley, whilst we tell you to pay up for the mess ups of the bankers.

So, If i was cynical about those in power, and if i saw any indication that the "powers that be" were attempting to make people scared about 3d printers, and If i suspected that anybody was constructing a "sneaky plan" to build a case where the public would accept the banning of 3d printers:

Then here I would be mentioning it......

well, its funny that I should have said that, because as it happens, very recently, i came accross this....

Massive media and scares of folk using 3d printers to make guns...
This from the bbc website....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22464360

BUT , just google 3d printer guns and you will see....

So, the propaganda begins....

I suspect they dont want us to have 3d printers and this is the begining..


Funny you bring up the guns, I was talking about this with hubby the other night. I know of so many things I could make with a 3d printer, too. It almost seems like science fiction! I'm sure they'll find a way to tax the bejabbers out of them and the materials. mad


3d printers, not science fiction, it's old hat, lol

4d printers, now that's science fiction

http://www.webpronews.com/heres-everything-you-need-to-know-about-4d-printing-2013-05



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has anyone managed to isolate a solitary beejeezum (beejeezu?, beejeezon?)in the laboratory?

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Originally Posted by dire tonic
has anyone managed to isolate a solitary beejeezum (beejeezu?, beejeezon?)in the laboratory?


Perhaps it could be engineered in the laboratory. They will put it in little pill form and give it to customers before they go into a haunted house or scary movie. I for one would not appreciate artificial beejeezum. Give me the real thing or...well just don't scare me. That's what I say!


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Originally Posted by Peyton
Do we ever get beejeezus back? Maybe it builds back like, well...sperm.


Sperm builds back?

I thought I was born with a limited amount and have been eking mine out very very carefully over the years.

One needs an alternative to bostic when gluing piano parts back together , Coincidentally, wayne has just found this out, now I know he was just awaiting a build up.




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Originally Posted by Rostosky
Originally Posted by Peyton
Do we ever get beejeezus back? Maybe it builds back like, well...sperm.


Sperm builds back?

I thought I was born with a limited amount and have been eking mine out very very carefully over the years.

One needs an alternative to bostic when gluing piano parts back together , Coincidentally, wayne has just found this out, now I know he was just awaiting a build up.


See what you learn on this site??? Now you can get out that and really have some fun.


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Originally Posted by dire tonic
has anyone managed to isolate a solitary beejeezum (beejeezu?, beejeezon?)in the laboratory?



There's a place in Switzerland where they've got this huge 18km circular underground tunnel that was specifically developed for bejeezi splitting (given that I suppose it is a masculine noun of the second declension in its nominative plural form, though perhaps I should have used the ablative bejeezos, hard to say).

When they ran the first tests many people were foolishly in fear that it would cause the end of the world. Needless to say, they lost some bejeezus that day.


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Originally Posted by Phil D
Sorry you didn't get much help on the tech forum - it's just that the nature of a piano like this means that walking someone through a possible repair for something diagnosed over the internet can lead to further damage, mistakes and a piano that still isn't fixed. Most experienced technicians have seen their fair share of bodged repair attempts from sheepish piano owners, and it's not nice to have to bill someone for a lot of work to fix something they damaged because they didn't want to pay a technician to do the original repair. I'm very glad you managed to get this done well yourself though!


Likewise. Moreover, we would hope that pianists understand that professional piano technicians are just that - professional, i.e. for profit. It is a business, not a charity. Many piano techs work 60 hour weeks and more. What little charity some techs are both able and willing to provide via the tech forum is on their time and, no doubt, much appreciated by many. With respect to obsolete technology - such as the "birdcage" action - most, if not all, of the techs I have known over the years either cannot or will not work on these. Accordingly, free advice concerning the repair of such, if any, will be exceedingly limited. The vitriol manifest by some is regrettable inasmuch as it only tends to make professional techs less likely to tend toward charity.

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Originally Posted by casinitaly
Originally Posted by dire tonic
has anyone managed to isolate a solitary beejeezum (beejeezu?, beejeezon?)in the laboratory?



There's a place in Switzerland where they've got this huge 18km circular underground tunnel that was specifically developed for bejeezi splitting (given that I suppose it is a masculine noun of the second declension in its nominative plural form, though perhaps I should have used the ablative bejeezos, hard to say).

When they ran the first tests many people were foolishly in fear that it would cause the end of the world. Needless to say, they lost some bejeezus that day.

thumb This cracked me up on more than one level. Brava, ma'am. laugh

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Originally Posted by bkw58
With respect to obsolete technology - such as the "birdcage" action - most, if not all, of the techs I have known over the years either cannot or will not work on these.


Shame on them then for not knowing their craft well enough.

And just who is it that is trying to tell folk like wayne they are playing on "obsolete technology?"

The further you go back in time the simpler the instrument actually is in the case of pianos,

Again, shame on them for not knowing or wanting to work on "certain types " of pianos, that are in abundance and being used and loved, and for the propaganda of "obsolete" as applied to certain pianos....

really.




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#2082423 - 05/14/13 12:08 PM Re: Help! [Re: Derulux]  
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Originally Posted by Derulux
Originally Posted by casinitaly
Originally Posted by dire tonic
has anyone managed to isolate a solitary beejeezum (beejeezu?, beejeezon?)in the laboratory?



There's a place in Switzerland where they've got this huge 18km circular underground tunnel that was specifically developed for bejeezi splitting (given that I suppose it is a masculine noun of the second declension in its nominative plural form, though perhaps I should have used the ablative bejeezos, hard to say).

When they ran the first tests many people were foolishly in fear that it would cause the end of the world. Needless to say, they lost some bejeezus that day.

thumb This cracked me up on more than one level. Bravo, sir. laugh


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Originally Posted by casinitaly
Originally Posted by Derulux
Originally Posted by casinitaly
Originally Posted by dire tonic
has anyone managed to isolate a solitary beejeezum (beejeezu?, beejeezon?)in the laboratory?



There's a place in Switzerland where they've got this huge 18km circular underground tunnel that was specifically developed for bejeezi splitting (given that I suppose it is a masculine noun of the second declension in its nominative plural form, though perhaps I should have used the ablative bejeezos, hard to say).

When they ran the first tests many people were foolishly in fear that it would cause the end of the world. Needless to say, they lost some bejeezus that day.

thumb This cracked me up on more than one level. Bravo, sir. laugh


We aim to please.....(but just for your info...that should be "Brava ma'am" wink )

I apologize!!! Funny and educational.. who knew? grin


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#2082468 - 05/14/13 01:51 PM Re: Help! [Re: casinitaly]  
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Originally Posted by casinitaly
Originally Posted by dire tonic
has anyone managed to isolate a solitary beejeezum (beejeezu?, beejeezon?)in the laboratory?



There's a place in Switzerland where they've got this huge 18km circular underground tunnel that was specifically developed for bejeezi splitting (given that I suppose it is a masculine noun of the second declension in its nominative plural form, though perhaps I should have used the ablative bejeezos, hard to say).

When they ran the first tests many people were foolishly in fear that it would cause the end of the world. Needless to say, they lost some bejeezus that day.


And all this time I had believed Bejeezi splitting was what we with smaller hands do whenever a 10th shows up on the music sheet.


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#2082484 - 05/14/13 02:23 PM Re: Help! [Re: Rostosky]  
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Originally Posted by Rostosky
Originally Posted by bkw58
With respect to obsolete technology - such as the "birdcage" action - most, if not all, of the techs I have known over the years either cannot or will not work on these.


Shame on them then for not knowing their craft well enough.

And just who is it that is trying to tell folk like wayne they are playing on "obsolete technology?"

The further you go back in time the simpler the instrument actually is in the case of pianos,

Again, shame on them for not knowing or wanting to work on "certain types " of pianos, that are in abundance and being used and loved, and for the propaganda of "obsolete" as applied to certain pianos....

really.


Thank you for your thoughts. Best wishes to you and yours.


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Conway, Arkansas
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ooops, looks like I accidentally beejeezussed a piano tech.

This will probably cause nightmares concerning ancient, beautifull and much loved european pianos in need of loving restoration, and a heaven comprised of such like, where he will be doomed to repair and maintain these delights just for the love of pianos as instruments and the folk that play them.

One thing that we were taught at school, ( yes rossy did attend school and pay attention for a little while,until they couldnt answer my questions adequately)

Was this: various woods used in a multitudes of instruments ( pianos not least) were not necessarily at their best at the point of manufacture.

In other words, as woods mellow over time, an instrument can actually get better with age, soundwise, and become more resonant: in this case, for the point I am making.

Let me give you an example that is easy to digest:

Stradivarious violins....

The scientists wanted to know why some are so exceptional, compared even to some made slightly earlier or later from the "same" manufacturer.

The conclusions ; on the "exceptional ones" the wood was taken from the same source..

So they looked at the source... it turns out that during the years that preceeded the taking of the wood, there was an exceptionally cold few decades...

During thse frozen spells, that wood ( like all wood) had only grown a very little amount each year, the cold had restricted its growth, you could clearly see by the ring growth of other trees known to be around at the same time ( aged by their ring growth)
That this had happened.

That makes the wood extremely dense: tightly packed ring growth.

which makes it special for the application it was used for which is violins in this instance.

No two pieces of wood are the same even if taken from the same tree,

Anyone, therefore could have in their possesion a most beautiful , and resonant instrument, just on the basis of an "accident of nature" in the wood that went into their particular instrument, which is not the same piece of wood as anyone else has got.

That piano, may well have a "birdcage apparatus" in it.

Trust your heart and your soul and your ears when deciding what a great tone a piano has, the name on the fall board does not necessarily dictate this aspect.







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