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#2076920 - 05/04/13 12:00 AM Premier recording & CLP-990M review  
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Hi everyone,

Here is the first recording at the newly acquired Clavinova CLP-990M:

https://www.box.com/s/p0atemqhcvcduwlelxpm

Initial review:

1) Action:

This piano has a very responsive action which feels fairly weighted and it takes a fair amount of work to play it well. It may have the closest action to an acoustic grand as compared with any of the other console digitals in the same price range.

2) Sounds:

The "Grand Piano 1" sound has a very clear and bell-like sound in the middle and upper treble registers and doesn't appear to have that slightly fuzzy/raspy metallic twang that the CA95 does, although this is a subjective comparison. The bass is really solid and with the default reverb setting the sound is quite realistic. The piano samples are very long as they are easily equal to the CA95 and are fairly close to the decay of the V-Piano.

3) Escapement simulation:

There is also a very subtle escapement simulation in the action which feels far more realistic to me as compared with the firmer resistance of the Kawai CA95. The CLP-990M's escapement appears to be closer to the V-Piano. You can also trigger a soft sound from the escapement point whereas you cannot do that with the Kawai CA95.

4) Speakers:

The real benefit to having the CLP-990M are the speakers as they are in the upper portion of the front cabinet which directly face the player and the ambience of the sound projection is excellent. One only needs half to three-quarters volume level when playing. Some of the other presets like EP's and strings are very good, also.

5) Age of model:

All in all, I am quite impressed with this older model. Not too many digitals that I have played up to now have been given a review with a high "wow" factor. The CLP-990M that I bought happens to be 11 years old as it was originally purchased in 2002.

6) Negatives:

The only thing I found to be a minor annoyance is the height of the pedals from the floor which seem to be a little higher than usual. One can easily remedy this by putting something like a thin book under the foot to raise the heel just a bit when pedaling.

7) Final note:

I would consider the CLP-990 a good buy if you can locate one for sale as it is becoming increasingly difficult to find as time goes on.

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#2077012 - 05/04/13 05:55 AM Re: Premier recording & CLP-990M review [Re: pv88]  
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They also do a CLP970 which sold on ebay recently, for a cheap price (considering the instrument). Most o` the features of the 990 will be in that too by the looks of things.


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Sounds nice, Richard.

I'm wondering whether the absence of the raspy twang you get on your CA95 is to do with the fact that the Yamaha doesn't have all that string resonance stuff built into it? At least I'm assuming it doesn't, being such an old model (I don't know that for a fact). Perhaps what you are enjoying the sound of pure sampling with no add-ons, aside from reverb?

It's great that you got your happy ending after all the trouble you went to to get this thing.

#2077460 - 05/05/13 02:00 AM Re: Premier recording & CLP-990M review [Re: ando]  
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Andy,

I think that you may be right regarding the older samples in the CLP-990M which to my ears are about as realistic as you are going to get in replicating an authentic acoustic Yamaha CFIIIS concert grand. The clear bell-like tones with the "Grand Piano 1" preset are excellent and I prefer this sound when comparing it to the more metallic sound in the CA95 although I still like the Kawai, too.

And, good luck to anyone else who might be searching for the CLP-990 as it is now quite difficult to locate one.

Having three flagship digitals gives me a wider variety of piano sounds and some variance in actions, also.

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#2077505 - 05/05/13 06:06 AM Re: Premier recording & CLP-990M review [Re: peterws]  
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Originally Posted by peterws
They also do a CLP970 which sold on ebay recently, for a cheap price (considering the instrument). Most o` the features of the 990 will be in that too by the looks of things.

But the actions are different as night and day: the CLP970 has not the outstanding spruce Natural Keyboard of the CLP990 but the old GH, which is by now probably sub-standard without a 3. sensor in this segment.

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Originally Posted by ando
Sounds nice, Richard.

I'm wondering whether the absence of the raspy twang you get on your CA95 is to do with the fact that the Yamaha doesn't have all that string resonance stuff built into it? At least I'm assuming it doesn't, being such an old model (I don't know that for a fact). Perhaps what you are enjoying the sound of pure sampling with no add-ons, aside from reverb?

The CLP990 HAD string resonance already!
Shame on YAMAHA: it not only that they postponed development and held back some new features, but they deprived the customer of this already achieved high technical standard in this price segment.

What I found more outrageous recently was only that two global pharmaceutical cooperations stopped to develop end test a combination therapy just weeks ago, after showing that a previously hard to treat and in many cases incurable disease could be cured by it in 100% of the cases in a very short course. Reason: cooperation between the two cooperations was ended.

Ok, I am aware that the discontinued better DP models, actions, quality and their replacement by in many ways inferior products impose no life threatening conditions...


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Originally Posted by Temperament

The CLP990 HAD string resonance already!
Shame on YAMAHA: it not only that they postponed development and held back some new features, but they deprived the customer of this already achieved high technical standard in this price segment.

IMO blame the product tiering guys in marketing. They're the reason the engineers who likely can and want to give us nice things for our money can't.

#2077789 - 05/05/13 05:17 PM Re: Premier recording & CLP-990M review [Re: pv88]  
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Blame the market. Yamaha makes what people buy. If people don't demand more they won't get more.

#2077979 - 05/05/13 11:19 PM Re: Premier recording & CLP-990M review [Re: pv88]  
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Wow, it sounds really good for an 11-year old digital piano, and for not so old as well.

Hmm, seems pure sampling can sound better than sound modelling...


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#2078119 - 05/06/13 05:12 AM Re: Premier recording & CLP-990M review [Re: personne]  
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As long as the sustain pedal continues to hold up I suppose I'll be okay since the other two don't work at all even though I have tried a factory reset and turning other pedal settings on and off. Pedals must have been damaged during the 6 week shipping ordeal.

#2078270 - 05/06/13 11:36 AM Re: Premier recording & CLP-990M review [Re: pv88]  
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Can't you have some service technician have a look at the piano? I'm quite sure such an issue can still be solved.


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#2078286 - 05/06/13 12:19 PM Re: Premier recording & CLP-990M review [Re: pv88]  
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but what would be the point in getting a technician? Really, if 'Destiny has told [pv88]that [he] will never own a completely working piano', then there's 'nothing to be done', as Estragon said.....you can't fight fate.


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#2078474 - 05/06/13 05:46 PM Re: Premier recording & CLP-990M review [Re: Clayman]  
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Originally Posted by Clayman
Can't you have some service technician have a look at the piano? I'm quite sure such an issue can still be solved.


Yes, as I did find someone that does work on Clavinovas who is a certified Yamaha repair technician. He seems to think that the pedal board was damaged during the shipping as movers are not always aware of the exposed pedal plug and circuits in the underside section of the pedal assembly.

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A new circuit board has been ordered for the pedal assembly which should take a week to 10 days to arrive.

#2078619 - 05/07/13 12:22 AM Re: Premier recording & CLP-990M review [Re: pv88]  
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You should then file a complaint with the company who did the moving and make a note to self to use a company that specializes in the moving of pianos and not just moving in general.

Still good to hear you're getting it fixed. smile


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#2078920 - 05/07/13 05:26 PM Re: Premier recording & CLP-990M review [Re: pv88]  
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Here is the 2nd recording using the default "Grand Piano 1" preset:

https://www.box.com/s/1kt9o43rx6a38tkihd5a

What I really like about the CLP-990M is the clear bell-like quality of the piano tones which are nice and full with sufficient sustain and decay.

#2079161 - 05/08/13 07:27 AM Re: Premier recording & CLP-990M review [Re: pv88]  
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What tuning options does this have? I noticed that the high notes seem flat to me, so you may want to fiddle around with different tunings. I'm not sure what it would be called, but I'm sure if you check the manual it has an option to change tuning formats. With acoustic pianos, tuners don't just tune the instrument equally across - they have the high notes a bit higher than equal temperament and the low notes a bit lower than equal, if that makes sense. This will help it with that realistic piano sound, I think. Sounds great other than that! smile


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@Morodiene,

Glad to hear that you like the recording and as for tuning I do believe you can change a few things although I would have to consult the manual for those specific changes.

I am aware that there are already a few notes (in the treble register including a high "G") that have a slightly off-tune quality to them although I happen to like this slight inflection as compared to the ordinary perfectly tuned digital. As it gives the piano a little bit of acoustic-like realism and authenticity as most acoustics are the same way. I don't mind (or, want to change) this attribute in the least.

The clear and solid piano tones are what makes the CLP-990M shine and the projection of the sounds from the front facing speakers is excellent. You also have the vibrations in the keys and pedals from notes which are struck louder in the bass, at "f" or "ff," just like on an acoustic piano.

The feel and response of the all spruce wooden key action is very good as well. It is still a very nice instrument even with 11 years on it, from date of original purchase. Has 192 notes of polyphony along with an 8 (not 4) step graded hammer action. All 88 keys have been individually sampled in stereo with 5 dynamic layers in the touch.

#2079649 - 05/09/13 04:27 AM Re: Premier recording & CLP-990M review [Re: pv88]  
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Hi pv88,

I'm glad to hear you are happy with your new piano!

I own the little sibling of it (a CLP-970) which is lacking the fantastic keyboard action, but is still good for a practice instrument in spite of its age.

In case you want to experiment with different tuning options (temperaments and stretch) you should be able to find them in the 'other settings' menu (IIRC there is a button for this menu near the rightmost part oft the control panel).

Enjoy!
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PV88, Your Pathetique is a very refreshing recording of the piece. You are a pianist among us enthusiasts. And the instrument sounds as in a true recording, at least much more so for me than the most DP (and SW instruments) sound. I did a search already for an offering, but there were from a music teacher, which I wouldn't prefer as a source to buy from....


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The piano sounds very nice - intimate, rich and mellow at low velocity. The only obvious thing that gives away that it's a digital is the short sustain on the higher notes. It's a pleasing effect overall though. Makes you wonder why Yamaha hasn't forged ahead and become a clear market leader if they were capable of this 11 years ago. They've really come back to the pack since this model was made.

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And, here is the 3rd recording using the default "Grand Piano 1" preset:

https://app.box.com/s/rhyh8va1e171aadmrlvg

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It's interesting listening again. It sounds to me like the source piano wasn't quite as immaculately prepared as I might have expected. There are imperfections in there that do add to a sense of realism. And it also sounds a bit boxy, like it was recorded with the lid down and mics very close to the strings (that's an observation, not a criticism). I'm not so keen on the third recording Richard to be honest but as ando says it is clear they (Yamaha) have advanced almost no distance at all since they made the CLP-990. I find the upper mids a bit digital sounding - slightly fake - but nonetheless it sounds pretty good to me. Your best sounding DP Richard?

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Originally Posted by EssBrace
Your best sounding DP Richard?


Steve,

That can be a difficult question to answer although I believe that I prefer the quality of the clear bell-like tones in the CLP-990M better than either the CA95 or V-Piano. The CA95 has a slightly metallic (not as clear) tone and the V-Piano is just about likewise. The CLP-990M's "Grand Piano 1" preset is quite pleasing to the ear.

Extra note:

Here is the Yamaha CP1 demo piece, this time played on the CLP990M:

https://www.box.com/s/eno4m0n782lqdn28hv6n

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New recording:

So, here's Beethoven with a modern sound and tempo:

https://www.box.com/s/mfhes1umawzxcv7y7jcy

Layered "Grand Piano 1" & "Electric Piano 1."

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And, here's another recording using just the "Grand Piano 1" preset:

https://www.box.com/s/xyw872ct88099bw963vv

This one's at a more conventional tempo.

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And, two more pieces (of Chopin) with the "Grand Piano 1" preset:

https://www.box.com/s/tsp2kqzps4ecn91otlvy

The first Prelude (Op. 28, No. 20) is a good example of how the pianist can make use of a partial-pedaling effect to gradually diminish the resonance of the last two chords. The 2nd to last chord is struck "ff" and held with the pedal while the last chord is struck only "mf" (moderately loud) and as soon the two chords are combined together in full resonance the sustain pedal is very slowly released while holding down the notes of the last chord. You can hear the last chord still resonating at the end even though the louder "ff" chord has faded away.

It is a decent acoustic-like effect (or, simulation) on a digital piano!

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The levels are a bit hot Richard - causing some break up in the louder moments.

Such a shame they didn't find a better way of implementing the looping in the decay phase - they haven't really moved on very much now with that either, all these years later. Just sounds so static and false. This is the single area where Yamaha should urgently invest some time and energy. Anyone wanting a long lingering sustain really needs to buy a Roland! (even though I much prefer the tonality of the Yamaha). Aside from that the CLP-990 acquits itself very well indeed.

Thanks for sharing your recordings.

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Steve,

Thanks for the comments and you are right the last recording sounds a little "hot" as I have Audacity set at "7" out of 10 with the input volume, as 5 is the default. I can always try lowering this number but if I go to 5 or less then the playback level is not always loud enough, at least with the headphones I am using. I can always experiment with these levels a little more, later.

Glad to hear you like the recordings as that is the primary reason for posting them here, to share the music. It still appears that no one digital piano to date has everything it takes to make the perfect combination of piano sounds and action to truly simulate an acoustic instrument.

We can always hope that digital pianos will continue to evolve to where a mix of sampling and modeling features may get us closer to an authentic playing experience as this includes detailed and improved speaker projection.

You are also right that even though the CLP-990M does not have the best sustain in the samples this is where the V-Piano excels, and, the Kawai CA95 does a very good job as well. That's why I have all three.

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This is a follow-up note to the previous post where I was waiting on a pedal circuit board part to arrive as both the middle (sostenuto) and left ("una corda" or, soft) pedals had to be repaired on the CLP-990M and the repair has now been completed and all of the pedals are functional, again.

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