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#2076413 - 05/03/13 03:38 AM The TEAR JERKER, The PRESTIGIOUS and The POWERFUL  
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Now of course it all depends on what your definition of "is" is. *Rolls eyes*

Haven't had much time to check these forums due to all the practicing cool but here's a simple question and although potentially you can make many pieces to all of these what are your preferences?

Name three composers for the piano (apparently you have to state the obvious) in the classical/Romantic era and name 3 works that best display Romantic/tear-jerker, Prestige & Noble and Power/Might. For instance since all you guys listen to is Chopin...

Chopin:
Tear Jerker- Etude op. 10, No.3

Prestigious- Heroic Polonaise op. 53

Raw Power & Might- Piano Sonata No.2

Prokofiev? Ravel? Schumann's? Rach? Liszt? Beethoven?

Feel free to add another emotion like grief, sadness etc

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#2076785 - 05/03/13 05:46 PM Re: The TEAR JERKER, The PRESTIGIOUS and The POWERFUL [Re: King Cole]  
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I notice a loophole: You didn't ask for piano pieces. wink

Schubert:
Tear-jerker: Gretchen am Spinnrade.
Prestige & Noble: Symphonie Nr.9 "Great"
Power & Might: Mirjam's Siegesgesang

If we try to find piano pieces:
Tear-jerker: Still Gretchen am Spinnrade.
Prestige: Impromptu op.90/4.
Power & Might: Sonata D958 or D960.


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#2076816 - 05/03/13 07:23 PM Re: The TEAR JERKER, The PRESTIGIOUS and The POWERFUL [Re: patH]  
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Originally Posted by patH
I notice a loophole: You didn't ask for piano pieces. wink
Using that loophole: I listened to most of Max Bruch's violin concerto #3 on the way home from my lesson yesterday. It was beautiful but one of the saddest things I've ever heard.


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#2076919 - 05/03/13 11:56 PM Re: The TEAR JERKER, The PRESTIGIOUS and The POWERFUL [Re: King Cole]  
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Rachmaninoff:

Tear Jerker: Parts of 3rd concerto op 30 (I could probably substitute dozens of pieces for this one)

Prestigious: 2nd concerto op 18 (I guess - you probably should have gone into more detail about what these things mean... wink I just picked it because it's well-known)

Powerful: Paganini Rhapsody op 43 (self-explanatory)

Sorry about picking all piano + orchestra pieces. laugh


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#2076924 - 05/04/13 12:04 AM Re: The TEAR JERKER, The PRESTIGIOUS and The POWERFUL [Re: King Cole]  
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Chopin (completely different from the OP... ha )

Tear Jerker: 4th Ballade or 3rd Sonata (oh, I could list these for ages)

Prestigious: Revolutionary Etude 10/12 (again, could substitute a lot of different pieces here)

Powerful: Maybe 28/24? Can't decide between several different pieces for this one.


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#2076926 - 05/04/13 12:09 AM Re: The TEAR JERKER, The PRESTIGIOUS and The POWERFUL [Re: King Cole]  
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By the way - what is the point of this thread, if you don't mind my asking? ha

(Not trying to be insulting, just curious. laugh )


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#2076940 - 05/04/13 12:39 AM Re: The TEAR JERKER, The PRESTIGIOUS and The POWERFUL [Re: King Cole]  
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Of course this is a piano forum, Polyphonist, but does your musical world extend at all beyond what has been written for the piano? Do you listen to anything else?

All of your above examples are not 'tear jerkers' to me, with the exception of Rachmaninov 2.



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#2076943 - 05/04/13 12:45 AM Re: The TEAR JERKER, The PRESTIGIOUS and The POWERFUL [Re: King Cole]  
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This is of course your thread so feel free to ignore my suggestion but what about adding more categories of feeling? It just occurred to me since a lot of my favorite pieces are more evocative of "wild" or "coming undone" or "strange" or "quiet and reflective." There's probably a more catchy name for those feelings than that. For some reason I'm frequently not as drawn to mighty and colossal things. Anyway, I'm not very good at these threads of categorizing things, so I'll "take my answer off the air" as they say on NPR.

#2076946 - 05/04/13 12:51 AM Re: The TEAR JERKER, The PRESTIGIOUS and The POWERFUL [Re: argerichfan]  
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Originally Posted by argerichfan
All of your above examples are not 'tear jerkers' to me, with the exception of Rachmaninov 2.


...which I didn't even list as one.

Originally Posted by argerichfan
Of course this is a piano forum,

Yes.

Originally Posted by argerichfan
does your musical world extend at all beyond what has been written for the piano? Do you listen to anything else?

Yes, it does, as a matter of fact. I'm not as musically illiterate as you seem to think, argerichfan.

I assumed the OP to be talking about piano works, since this thread is on a forum called "Pianist Corner". So I limited my candidates to solo piano works, or pieces for piano and orchestra.

Originally Posted by argerichfan
All of your above examples are not 'tear jerkers' to me


So, we have different musical tastes. Does that mean we can't get along at all?

Chopin's 4th Ballade, in my opinion, is one of the most profound works ever written. The Largo of the 3rd Sonata also falls into this category.

The Rachmaninoff Third is perhaps my favorite work of all time. I'm not going to get into why this is on this thread, as that would most likely hijack the thread. If you want to know, go look at the other forums on which the piece is being discussed.

If these pieces aren't "Tear Jerkers" for you, pray tell me, which ones are? (Excluding works without a piano in them.)


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#2077016 - 05/04/13 06:05 AM Re: The TEAR JERKER, The PRESTIGIOUS and The POWERFUL [Re: King Cole]  
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My picks for Brahms:

Tearjerker - Intermezzo in A Op. 118 #2 OR Intermezzo in C# minor Op. 117 #3
Prestige/Noble - Piano Concerto 2
Power/Might - Piano Concerto 1

#2077020 - 05/04/13 06:25 AM Re: The TEAR JERKER, The PRESTIGIOUS and The POWERFUL [Re: King Cole]  
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Originally Posted by King Cole


Name three composers for the piano (apparently you have to state the obvious) in the classical/Romantic era and name 3 works that best display Romantic/tear-jerker, Prestige & Noble and Power/Might. For instance since all you guys listen to is Chopin...


Avoiding single movements from sonatas and symphonies (of which there are even better examples):

1) Mahler's Symphony No.9 and Mozart's Ave verum corpus. Piano: Mozart's Rondo in A minor, K 511

2) Elgar's Symphony No.1 - and his piano transcription of Nimrod (marked nobilmente - though not in the orchestral score).

3) Tchaikovsky's Marche slave, Op.31. Piano: Prokofiev's Suggestion diabolique, Op.4/4


"I don't play accurately - anyone can play accurately - but I play with wonderful expression. As far as the piano is concerned, sentiment is my forte. I keep science for Life."
#2077335 - 05/04/13 07:00 PM Re: The TEAR JERKER, The PRESTIGIOUS and The POWERFUL [Re: King Cole]  
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Polyphonist, to address your points:

I do not consider you 'musically illiterate', begone with that. I think the 4th Chopin Ballade one of Chopin's greatest works (why did Busoni rate it the weakest?), it just has never moved me in the way that, apparently, it has for you. My vote for Chopin goes to the Barcarolle. (Oh dear, it destroys me, no contest.)

Our musical tastes are delightfully different, and I truly apologize if I cannot share your exalted opinion of Rachmaninov 3. As per another topic, I think Saint-Saëns 5 a better piece of music, it makes its point -and comes to a glorious climax- with sentiment, but without sentimentality.

You challenge me to come up with tear jerkers, piano only. (So I cannot mention Wagner?) My musical world is mainly organ and church music, not relevant here, but I can share a few moments from my past.

I did acid once, and per chance happened to hear the slow movement of the Brahms Op 5. Not very trendy to talk about, but I heard things there which I have never forgotten. It penetrated my mind, and then the Eb minor Scherzo came along.

The variations from Beethoven's Op 109. It came at a moment in my life wherein I needed consolation, and I just felt the kind hand of Beethoven on my shoulder. Tears that I will never forget.


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#2077370 - 05/04/13 08:03 PM Re: The TEAR JERKER, The PRESTIGIOUS and The POWERFUL [Re: King Cole]  
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Argherichfan -

Thanks for your post (above) that puts your "choices" in a personal context. So much more interesting and meaningful to read than the usual superficial babble on threads like this - and it certainly makes me want to seriously think about "why" certain works mean so much to me as well.



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#2077378 - 05/04/13 08:39 PM Re: The TEAR JERKER, The PRESTIGIOUS and The POWERFUL [Re: Carey]  
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Originally Posted by carey
argerichfan
Thanks for your post (above) that puts your "choices" in a personal context. So much more interesting and meaningful to read than the usual superficial babble on threads like this - and it certainly makes me want to seriously think about "why" certain works mean so much to me as well.

Many thanks for your post. I am headed to France on Monday for about a month. I will be by myself, but I will take the opportunity to examine some aspects of my life -I may not even speak any English- which have become somewhat complacent these days living in the US. French Catholicism is so dynamic, and of course this will not fail to have its influence.


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#2077421 - 05/04/13 11:22 PM Re: The TEAR JERKER, The PRESTIGIOUS and The POWERFUL [Re: argerichfan]  
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Originally Posted by argerichfan
Originally Posted by carey
argerichfan
Thanks for your post (above) that puts your "choices" in a personal context. So much more interesting and meaningful to read than the usual superficial babble on threads like this - and it certainly makes me want to seriously think about "why" certain works mean so much to me as well.

Many thanks for your post. I am headed to France on Monday for about a month. I will be by myself, but I will take the opportunity to examine some aspects of my life -I may not even speak any English- which have become somewhat complacent these days living in the US. French Catholicism is so dynamic, and of course this will not fail to have its influence.


Lucky guy. I have no doubt that you'll have a wonderful experience - and I look forward to hearing about the highlights of the trip upon your return. Hopefully you'll have a chance to visit some of the great cathedrals and hear a couple of live organ recitals while you're there. thumb


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#2077636 - 05/05/13 12:31 PM Re: The TEAR JERKER, The PRESTIGIOUS and The POWERFUL [Re: King Cole]  
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Liszt:
tearjerker: sonata
prestige/noble: sonata
power/might: sonata


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#2077640 - 05/05/13 12:38 PM Re: The TEAR JERKER, The PRESTIGIOUS and The POWERFUL [Re: dolce sfogato]  
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Originally Posted by dolce sfogato
Liszt:
tearjerker: sonata
prestige/noble: sonata
power/might: sonata

I was going to do that for Rach and Opus 30, but decided not to. grin

You could also do it for Beethoven and Opus 106.

You could probably do it for any composer, come to think of it. ha Most every great composer has those works.


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#2077729 - 05/05/13 03:33 PM Re: The TEAR JERKER, The PRESTIGIOUS and The POWERFUL [Re: Polyphonist]  
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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
[...]You could probably do it for any composer, come to think of it. ha Most every great composer has those works.


Moreover, one man's "tearjerker" is another man's "repose"; one man's "power" is another man's "bombast" which makes the entire exercise somewhat futile, I think.

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Of course; the object is not to evaluate the quality of the works or make fun of other people's choices, but to share the pieces that you are passionate about. Who knows, maybe someone will read your post and listen to a piece you listed that they've never heard before, and then share your love for it. smile


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#2078661 - 05/07/13 05:21 AM Re: The TEAR JERKER, The PRESTIGIOUS and The POWERFUL [Re: King Cole]  
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Tearjerker: Sonata # 3, 3rd movement: easily one of the most tender and achingly beautiful piano pieces of all time

Prestige/noble: Piano Concerto, 3rd movement

Power and might: Prometheus: The Poem of Fire

#2078919 - 05/07/13 05:25 PM Re: The TEAR JERKER, The PRESTIGIOUS and The POWERFUL [Re: babama]  
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Heitor Villa-Lobos:

Tearjerker (though the orchestra version is much better) :



Prestigious :



Powerful :


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Schoenberg!

Tearjerker: Pelleas und Melisande, Op. 5 (symphonic poem);
Prestige/noble: Variations for Orchestra, Op. 31
Power and might: Moses und Aron (unfinished)

There are as many opinions as there are people, and aren't we glad for that?

#2079632 - 05/09/13 03:16 AM Re: The TEAR JERKER, The PRESTIGIOUS and The POWERFUL [Re: AldenH]  
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Originally Posted by BruceD


Moreover, one man's "tearjerker" is another man's "repose"; one man's "power" is another man's "bombast" which makes the entire exercise somewhat futile, I think.

Regards,


Everything is not an exercise goodness. Music is an art. I'm at the Louvre and I'm just asking what does a certain painting mean to you. Does everything have to be strict Pollini?! Er I mean BruceD. This is where your power of interpretation comes in smh.

Originally Posted by worov
Heitor Villa-Lobos:



Interesting composer indeed.

Originally Posted by Polyphonist
By the way - what is the point of this thread, if you don't mind my asking? ha

(Not trying to be insulting, just curious. laugh )


To see if you'd pick anybody other than Rach... Case closed.

Originally Posted by bennevis

Avoiding single movements from sonatas and symphonies (of which there are even better examples):

1) Mahler's Symphony No.9 and Mozart's Ave verum corpus. Piano: Mozart's Rondo in A minor, K 511


Mozart is overrated to me but this selection is pretty nice I must say. I've tried and tried but its the same thing with Liszt he has a handful of gems (9-10) but most of his work seems too ostentatious and incohesive for me and his greatest works sound like Liszt with a Chopinian influence. His Un Sospiro is to die for...

Originally Posted by babama
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Tearjerker: Sonata # 3, 3rd movement: easily one of the most tender and achingly beautiful piano pieces of all time

Prestige/noble: Piano Concerto, 3rd movement

Power and might: Prometheus: The Poem of Fire

I agree with the first Sonata #3 3rd movement, interesting choice for the powerful I must say

Originally Posted by vers la flan
Hi All,

My picks for Brahms:

Tearjerker - Intermezzo in A Op. 118 #2 OR Intermezzo in C# minor Op. 117 #3
Prestige/Noble - Piano Concerto 2
Power/Might - Piano Concerto 1

Wow you have made me fall in love with Brahms... stunning

Originally Posted by patH
I notice a loophole: You didn't ask for piano pieces. wink

Schubert:
Tear-jerker: Gretchen am Spinnrade.
Prestige & Noble: Symphonie Nr.9 "Great"
Power & Might: Mirjam's Siegesgesang

If we try to find piano pieces:
Tear-jerker: Still Gretchen am Spinnrade.
Prestige: Impromptu op.90/4.
Power & Might: Sonata D958 or D960.


YES PIANO PIECES AT PIANO WORLD!!! But your piano selections were fantastic. Schubert was extremely poetic and always gets overlooked

Originally Posted by AldenH

There are as many opinions as there are people, and aren't we glad for that?


Well said


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Originally Posted by King Cole
Originally Posted by Polyphonist
By the way - what is the point of this thread, if you don't mind my asking? ha

(Not trying to be insulting, just curious. laugh )


To see if you'd pick anybody other than Rach... Case closed.

I also did Chopin...


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Tearjerker: Variations on a theme by Weinen, Klagen, Sorgen, Zagen.

Prestige/noble: Christus.

Power/Might: Heroide Funebre (seriously, with Pletnev and the RNO this piece makes Totentanz, Funerailles, and the first movement of the Dante Symphony sound like lullabies).

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Originally Posted by pianojosh23

Tearjerker: Variations on a theme by Weinen, Klagen, Sorgen, Zagen.

I have only performed it on the organ, and IMO it works better that way. The piano version has some very effective moments, but the closing pages on piano feel more grandiloquent than exalting.


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Chopin:
Tear jerker: Concerto No.2 in F minor, 2nd Movement

Tear jerker: Nocturne Op.62, No.1, B major

Prestigious: Piano Sonata No.3

Powerful: Ballade No.4

Beethoven:
Lighthearted: Piano Sonata Op.79 ("sonatina" as some call it), 1st Movement


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