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#2075700 - 05/02/13 08:37 AM Re: Did Horowitz ever record these? [Re: pianoloverus]  
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Welcome Tom Barrister. No frowning here!

This website provides a fairly comprehensive list of Horowitz recordings, issued and not.

Horowitz did read through Beethoven's Op. 31, No 3 at Columbia's 30th Street studio at one session in 1962. AFAIK, he never recorded Op. 81a and didn't play it in public after the early 1930s.

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#2075719 - 05/02/13 09:00 AM Re: Did Horowitz ever record these? [Re: Polyphonist]  
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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
This thread is 4 years old.


And perfectly acceptable to resurrect, in light of a recent discussion of a "Horowitz" performance of Scarbo on youtube.


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Hello and welcome.

This is such a wonderful thread so thank you for bringing it back. I really enjoyed reading it.

Please feel free to bring old threads back to life as some threads are "timeless" in my view.

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#2075782 - 05/02/13 10:48 AM Re: Did Horowitz ever record these? [Re: pianoloverus]  
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Note that it's possible to read a thread without resurrecting it...

Some disagree. I think it clutters the forum, and you're not really communicating with the people that started the thread. What would the forum be like if we resurrected every old thread we saw to add "new information"? wink


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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
Note that it's possible to read a thread without resurrecting it...

Some disagree. I think it clutters the forum, and you're not really communicating with the people that started the thread. What would the forum be like if we resurrected every old thread we saw to add "new information"? wink


One of the purposes of having a forum in the first place? Furthering discussion?


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Originally Posted by Thracozaag
Originally Posted by Polyphonist
Note that it's possible to read a thread without resurrecting it...

Some disagree. I think it clutters the forum, and you're not really communicating with the people that started the thread. What would the forum be like if we resurrected every old thread we saw to add "new information"? wink


One of the purposes of having a forum in the first place? Furthering discussion?

Why don't you do it then? wink


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#2075796 - 05/02/13 10:56 AM Re: Did Horowitz ever record these? [Re: Polyphonist]  
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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
Originally Posted by Thracozaag
Originally Posted by Polyphonist
Note that it's possible to read a thread without resurrecting it...

Some disagree. I think it clutters the forum, and you're not really communicating with the people that started the thread. What would the forum be like if we resurrected every old thread we saw to add "new information"? wink


One of the purposes of having a forum in the first place? Furthering discussion?

Why don't you do it then? wink


I think that's what some of the other posters have actually been doing since the thread got revived.


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#2075797 - 05/02/13 10:57 AM Re: Did Horowitz ever record these? [Re: Thracozaag]  
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Originally Posted by Thracozaag
Originally Posted by Polyphonist
Originally Posted by Thracozaag
Originally Posted by Polyphonist
Note that it's possible to read a thread without resurrecting it...

Some disagree. I think it clutters the forum, and you're not really communicating with the people that started the thread. What would the forum be like if we resurrected every old thread we saw to add "new information"? wink


One of the purposes of having a forum in the first place? Furthering discussion?

Why don't you do it then? wink


I think that's what some of the other posters have actually been doing since the thread got revived.

No, I meant resurrect threads, not further discussion. Wasn't intending to insult you. ha Sorry about that.


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#2075807 - 05/02/13 11:04 AM Re: Did Horowitz ever record these? [Re: Polyphonist]  
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No worries; some of those EMI Beethoven sonatas of Cortot I had mentioned previously were actually released recently on the box set.


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#2075878 - 05/02/13 12:22 PM Re: Did Horowitz ever record these? [Re: Polyphonist]  
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Originally Posted by Polyphonist
I think it clutters the forum, and you're not really communicating with the people that started the thread.

Well, the person who "started the thread" actually posted just prior to you, so he seems to be very much alive and kicking. yippie And what's more, he seemed not to be bothered in the slightest by the resurrection of his "timeless" thread.

Originally Posted by Polyphonist
What would the forum be like if we resurrected every old thread we saw to add "new information"? wink

Gee, I dunno, uh. . . more interesting??? grin

Old threads, even if they contain comments from members who are no longer active, can serve as a catalyst for new ideas and opinions from current members on the same topic. Yes, if we were hurling ad hominems at people who are no longer active, that would certainly be wrong and no one would condone that. But to read what they wrote and use their comments as a springboard for further discussion seems in perfect keeping with the purpose of this forum.

And what about all the "frowns" that are dispensed when someone starts a new thread?? Invariably someone will point out that the topic is not new, has been thoroughly discussed, case closed, and that the OP should content himself with reading the "old threads". What's a body to do??

Some criteria from the moderators on what is considered "frownable" etiquette would be helpful.

In the meantime, Tom, welcome to our dysfunctional family - frowns included! smile

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Originally Posted by Old Man
....Some criteria from the moderators on what is considered "frownable" etiquette would be helpful....

Not really. grin

At the worst (from the standpoint of the "it's fine" people), moderators would say it should be avoided -- and then quite a few of us would explain why it's not just OK but good, we'd explain how trying to snuff it would be a many-fold loss to the site, we'd bat it around for a while, and after all that, we'd wind up with keeping it how it is. Whatever that is.

So, that would be fine. But so is this. smile

#2075899 - 05/02/13 01:14 PM Re: Did Horowitz ever record these? [Re: pianoloverus]  
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And to get back to the original topic somewhat, I've heard a very strong rumour that ALL the Carnegie Hall concerts Horowitz had taped in the 40's-50's will be released, sooner rather than later.


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Originally Posted by Thracozaag
And to get back to the original topic somewhat, I've heard a very strong rumour that ALL the Carnegie Hall concerts Horowitz had taped in the 40's-50's will be released, sooner rather than later.

Wow! I look forward eagerly. smile

I'll also find it interesting to see how well it sells. Not too long ago, it would have been guaranteed to fly off the shelves, but as I said in another thread, it seems fewer and fewer people think of him as such a huge figure. The sales of such a release might tell a story. So, I'll be looking a little at those sales rankings on Amazon and wherever. And of course we'll also know something from how much buzz it gets -- how many reviews and other publicity we see, and how much it gets talked about.

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I agree Mark, was also dismayed to see how poor the sales were, and I hope it doesn't deter them from releasing all the performances.


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#2075917 - 05/02/13 01:40 PM Re: Did Horowitz ever record these? [Re: Mark_C]  
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If that's the case, we can only hope that the April 12, 1940 concert was recorded - Beethoven Op. 31 No. 3, Scarbo, Orage, Feux-follets, etc. After this, his programming seems to settle down...


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Originally Posted by Thracozaag
I agree Mark, was also dismayed to see how poor the sales were, and I hope it doesn't deter them from releasing all the performances.

I guess you mean the most recent releases didn't do well? I didn't know anything about that. But it seems this would be bigger and more important than any Horowitz releases in a very long time, so maybe it's a different story. The last Horowitz release I know of that seemed semi-big was the "LIVE-live" recording of the 1965 "historic return" concert. (As opposed to the semi-fraudulent live recording that came out at the time.) grin
And this would be much bigger than that.

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Here's what I have to say regarding the resurrection issue.

1) There are many respected individuals here who disapprove of it.

2) There are many respected individuals here who support it.

3) There are many respected individuals here who have never demonstrated an opinion on the matter.

4) Therefore, discussion of whether or not it should be permitted, allowed, frowned upon, etc, is useless.

5) When I see a resurrected thread, I will point it out.

6) It's stupid to start an argument about it every time someone brings it up.

7) Therefore, we should consider the matter resolved (though it isn't really grin) and discontinue discussion of it.


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Resurrection of threads is IMO a case-by-case scenario where LARGELY is not a good move, but I think in this specific case, it didn't kill anything or anyone. Polyphonist, thank you for telling the person about resurrecting old threads, because it is often not a good thing to do. But I do personally think it was okay in this case. smile

I would love to hear those Horowitz recordings. I'm not the biggest H. fan, but that doesn't mean I dislike him in the slightest... He was a legend. I just don't know him very well, and I often listen to more traditional/conventional pianists. I'll explore him more. smile

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I think any of my threads can be resurrected since they are all beyond fascinating. Not anyone else's however and especially not
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Originally Posted by Thracozaag
And to get back to the original topic somewhat, I've heard a very strong rumour that ALL the Carnegie Hall concerts Horowitz had taped in the 40's-50's will be released, sooner rather than later.


Hank Drake posted a link in another thread concerning this. I'll see if I can find it.

Here it is!
Horowitz recording

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
I think any of my threads can be resurrected since they are all beyond fascinating. Not anyone else's however and especially not
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For some reason, I think I could actually fill in a few of those blanks. cool

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Originally Posted by Damon
Originally Posted by Thracozaag
And to get back to the original topic somewhat, I've heard a very strong rumour that ALL the Carnegie Hall concerts Horowitz had taped in the 40's-50's will be released, sooner rather than later.


Hank Drake posted a link in another thread concerning this. I'll see if I can find it.

Here it is!
Horowitz recording

Joke? grin

A coupla things:

-- That's not about that.

-- Re what it is about, get a load of how they put it:

"Life at Carnegie Hall" ha


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Originally Posted by Damon
Originally Posted by Thracozaag
And to get back to the original topic somewhat, I've heard a very strong rumour that ALL the Carnegie Hall concerts Horowitz had taped in the 40's-50's will be released, sooner rather than later.


Hank Drake posted a link in another thread concerning this. I'll see if I can find it.

Here it is!
Horowitz recording


Unfortunately, it's not ALL of the 40s-50s recordings. Three of the famous "Yale" concerts, the complete March 5 & April 23, 1951, unedited versions of the 1953, 1966-1968 recitals, two from 1975 (one of which was issued as Horowitz Rediscovered).


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Does it include the "Yale" Scarbo recording I found on YouTube? Just kidding, it's a fake wink

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I agree. But, when can I read what is under there? grin


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#2125356 - 07/30/13 03:00 PM Re: Did Horowitz ever record these? [Re: Polyphonist]  
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After I acknowledge that I knew that the thread was old....

Originally Posted by TomBarrister
I know this is a very old thread.

Horowitz never authorized recordings of either Les Adieux or Op. 31, no. 3 by Beethoven.


You feel some compulsion to tell the world:

Originally Posted by Polyphonist
This thread is 4 years old.


And then let us all know that I've reached my limit for mistakes:

Originally Posted by Polyphonist
Originally Posted by Mark_C
C'mon, be nice to new members! smile

I was making sure he knew it was frowned upon (and yes Mark, it is), so he'd know not to do it again. Every new member gets one chance to make a mistake like that. grin


Now, since you seem to be the boss around here, perhaps you can explain to me how to handle this situation: Somebody arrives at this thread after an internet search to find out if Horowitz ever did a recording of Schumann's Symphonic Etudes. That person sees that the original poster also wanted to know if Horowitz also recorded "Les Adieux," and he/she knows the answer to that. That person would have five basic options:

1) Do nothing and move on.

2) Reply to the original poster in a private message.

3) Start a brand new thread stating that Horowitz never authorized a recording of Les Adieux.

4) Reply in the thread that Horowitz never authorized a recording of Les Adieux.

5) Look for a newer thread or another site on which to post the information.

Numbers 1 and 2 aren't going to help people who do an internet search in the future to see if Horowitz ever recorded "Les Adieux." Number 3 is going to appear random, unless the old thread is referenced, and it's going to create another thread anyway. Number 5 is a lot of work that isn't necessary, since the current thread was probably the first hit that offered a chance to reply to that question and would probably be one of the first hits that those who asked the same question in the future would arrive at. The logical move is to choose number 4.

Back on topic (which is the reason I came back), I have since found out that Horowitz's impromptu performance of the last movement of "Les Adieux," was recorded, but it's buried away somewhere with countless other such recordings, and the chances of it ever surfacing are remote.

Now look what I did. I resurrected a thread that's almost three months old. I just made another mistake, and since I've read that I only get one, and since I've now made two, I'm out of mistakes here and can't post anymore. Oh well.

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Originally Posted by TomBarrister

Now look what I did. I resurrected a thread that's almost three months old. I just made another mistake, and since I've read that I only get one, and since I've now made two, I'm out of mistakes here and can't post anymore. Oh well.


Actually - if you make another mistake you'll qualify for lifetime membership on Piano World. After three - we stop counting and just consider you one of us !! Welcome to the club !! thumb


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Originally Posted by carey
Originally Posted by TomBarrister

Now look what I did. I resurrected a thread that's almost three months old. I just made another mistake, and since I've read that I only get one, and since I've now made two, I'm out of mistakes here and can't post anymore. Oh well.

Actually - if you make another mistake you'll qualify for lifetime membership on Piano World. After three - we stop counting and just consider you one of us !! Welcome to the club !! thumb

Polyphonist is a paid informer, whose eagle eyes can spot a rising zombie a mile off. After he's finished pummeling you with "Tsk, tsk!" you are free to either: 1). Cry like a baby and leave; or 2). Continue posting. If you choose No. 2, you are considered seasoned, hardened, battle-ready, capable of withstanding the slings and arrows of the outrageous "others", who will quickly make Polyphonist seem like your pet lamb.

So, as carey, said, welcome to the club! thumb

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